Christmas: Why Don’t Christians Know the True Date of Jesus’ Birth?

Isn’t it odd that Christians don’t know the true date of Jesus’ birth? As I’m sure you know, Jesus was not born in December. December 25th is the winter solstice, an old pagan holiday which the Catholic Church adopted as the symbolic birthdate of their Savior.

Think about this: If after Jesus’ death, his mother, Mary, lived with John the son of Zebedee in Ephesus until her death, as Christian tradition claims, wouldn’t you think that she would have told John or one of the other disciples/authors of the Gospels the date of birth of Jesus, the Savior of the world, the Creator of the universe? Wouldn’t at least one disciple, evangelist, bishop, or other church leader ask her for this information? And get this: one of the disciples was a tax collector. Aren’t tax collectors known for keeping good records? Yet, not even the author of the Gospel of Matthew, allegedly the Apostle Matthew, a tax collector, records the date of birth of the King of Kings.

But that’s not all.

Incredibly, Christians also don’t know the dates of the death and resurrection of Jesus, the two greatest events in Christianity, and according to Christians, the two greatest events in the history of humankind! His resurrection from the dead was allegedly accompanied by some of the most fantastical supernatural events ever claimed in human history: Post-death appearances to over 500 people, a great earthquake, three hours of darkness, angels descending from heaven, the temple veil torn in two, dozens if not hundreds of graves torn open, their occupants shaken back to life to roam the streets of a major city of the Roman empire…yet no one bothered to record the date of these earth-shattering events!!! Very, very, very odd, my friends.

These stories have all the characteristics of legends.

legend: a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated, such as “the legend of King Arthur”.

Jesus may well have been a real historical figure, but tales of his virginal birth attended by angels (space aliens) and multiple sightings of his walking, talking, broiled fish eating corpse are not even remotely credible without record of the dates of these alleged events. Dear Christians: You would not believe similar undated tall tales from another world religion, so why do you believe Christianity’s fantastical, undated, supernatural tall tales?

Just say NO to superstitions.

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23 thoughts on “Christmas: Why Don’t Christians Know the True Date of Jesus’ Birth?

      1. Disputing assertions, in case you didn’t know, leaves nothing to dispute. You have not proven your case, and so there’s nothing to dispute. Give me something solid to dispute.

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        1. I am not making a claim (case).

          Christians are making the claim. Christians claim that a man who lived 2000 years ago is the creator of the universe, ruler of the cosmos, and that after his public execution, he rose from the dead and appeared to over 500 people. Yet they don’t have the dates of his birth, his death, his supernatural resurrection, or any of the post-death appearances to crowds of dozens and even hundreds of eyewitnesses. Not one single date.

          And we aren’t talking about the Stone Age. People kept records in the first century of the Roman Empire. They weren’t cavemen. They weren’t idiots.

          Why don’t Christians know the date of birth of the “King of Kings”???

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          1. There are many historic events that don’t have exact dates attached to them that historians accept as credible. Our calendars have gone though changes over time, so that too can throw off many dates from that far back, so its unremarkable that we don’t have exact dates. The Jews operated on a lunar calendar, where the Alexandrian and Julian calendars have evolved over time. The approximations can get one fairly close given the names of the rulers and events of that time. So, pointing at missing dates is, as I said before, unremarkable, and even petty given the plethora of other historical information.

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            1. So we are to believe that Mary was told by an angel that she would give birth to the King of Kings who would save his people from their sins. She lives long enough to see the founding of the Jerusalem Church, according the the author of the Book of Acts. Christian tradition says that after Jesus’ death, John, son of Zebedee, cared for her until her death at an old age. Yet…neither she nor any other Christian recorded the date of the birth of the Messiah, King of Israel, the King of Kings, God Incarnate???

              They recorded word for word Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and many other sermons and sayings, but they forgot his birth date.

              I don’t buy it. This story (like that of the Resurrection) has all the characteristics of a legend.

              No educated person should believe this nonsense is historical.

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              1. Fixation on dates is a very weak stance for doubt, mainly because there are specific events stated in the text that can be dated. The actual date for His birth is likely a good thing we don’t know, otherwise people would idolize, just as they did the serpent pole Moses had built when the people were being bitten by serpents in the desert.

                So, the actual date of His birth is of no real consequence. It doesn’t take away from what He did and taught. Subjective fixation(s) (and you have many) may be useful against the weaker mind, but it doesn’t sway me at all. I’m comfortable not knowing His birth date.

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                1. We know the date Rome burned but we don’t know the date when the sun was blotted out for 3 hours, dead people were shaken out of their graves by a great earthquake, and God returned from the dead.

                  It is a legend!

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                    1. What does that have to do with knowing His birth date? Are you looking to posit another red herring? In case you’re wondering, I’m wanting to know the basis of your question.

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                    2. “For I am not ashamed of … Christ.”

                      Are you ashamed to admit that you believe that you have a personal relationship with Jesus of Nazareth?

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                    3. Your unwillingness to answer my question for basis shows that you aren’t really interested in an answer.

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                    4. You believe that the ghost of a dead man from the first century is your best friend. Under any other circumstances we would consider you mentally ill. You are delusional, my friend.

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                    5. I hope you don’t mind that falling into the pit of ad hominem by calling me delusional doesn’t mean much of anything coming from the likes of you.

                      Just saying….

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            2. There are many historic events that don’t have exact dates attached to them…

              -Alexander the Great was born July 20th or 21st, 356 BCE

              -Julius Caesar was born July 12th or 13th, 100 BCE

              -Tiberius Caesar was born November 16, 42 BCE

              -Caesar Caligula was born August 31, 12 CE

              -Caesar Claudius was born August 1, 10 BCE

              -Caesar Nero was born December 15, 37 CE

              Yet Christians don’t remember the day, month, or even year of the birth of the “King of Kings”!

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              1. You have a few OR’s in there. lol According to your system of thought, we should have at least SOME doubts about Alexander’s existence. After all, not only do they not know the exact date, but they don’t even know what hour of a specific day he was born, and his weight…. lol

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                1. You are really desperate, my friend.

                  We know that Alexander the Great was born July 20th or 21st, 356 BCE but we don’t know even the year of the birth, death, or resurrection of the King of Kings.

                  Admit it: You believe this tall tale not because of historical evidence but because you believe you have a personal relationship with a ghost.

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            3. The dates of the BIG events of the first century were recorded:

              Brief Interruption of the Han Dynasty in China 9-23 CE
              After two centuries of rule, the Han dynasty began to wobble when the consort Wang Mang was appointed regent of the child emperor Ping and he began exerting his own power in the country. But by 9 AD, Ping had died, and the next successor had been pushed aside, as Wang proclaimed that the Mandate of Heaven had passed from the Han to himself, establishing what we know now as the Xin dynasty. However, Wang and his attempts to reforms were unpopular and, combined with flooding throughout China which devastated many villages, peasants fled to rebel, ultimately leading to Wang being ousted in 23 AD by forces led by a Han. Two years later, they were re-established on the throne, and this new Han rule would last another two hundred years.

              Death of Caesar Augustus, 14 CE

              The burning of Rome, July 18, 64 CE

              The year of four Roman Emperors, 69 CE

              The Destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, June 70 CE

              Pompeii is destroyed by an eruption of Mount Vesuvius, 79 CE

              The death and resurrection of God the Creator? Unknown

              Yet, we are asked to believe that on one day the early first century, the sun was blacked out for 3 hours in the middle of the afternoon, a great earthquake shook dozens if not hundreds of dead people out of their graves to walk the streets of a major city in the Roman Empire, and a Jewish messiah pretender personally tried, convicted, and executed by the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilates, for treason against Caesar is reported resurrected from the dead by over 500 people…and no one remembers the day, the month, or even the year of this event!!!

              Preposterous.

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