Dear Christians: Every Time You Sit Down to the Dinner Table and Ask Jesus to Bless Your Food, Remember the Eight Thousand Children who will Starve to Death that Day
Dear Christians: Every Time You Sit Down to the Dinner Table and Ask Jesus to Bless Your Food, Remember the Eight Thousand Children who will Starve to Death that Day
Escaping Christian Fundamentalism 
From the book they so piously quote from …
Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’…
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me
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Wait…I thought the Bible was a book of fairy tales.
You think we’re literally supposed to care about poor people, Nan?
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You can do whatever you want, JB. BUT … if you believe and live by your “holy book,” it pretty plainly states that yes, you’re “literally supposed to care about poor people.” And naked ones, too. 😉
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Yes, Nan. That’s what it says.
And I’ve read YOUR book that lists dozens of reasons why the Bible is rubbish.
Is your book not true?
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I wrote my book to share what I learned/discovered through several years of research. It’s not a “holy book.” It’s just a plain old book with words and letters … no divine teachings at all. The reader can judge for themselves whether anything in it is “true” … or not.
Just like I can do with the book that you and other “Christians” claim to live by.
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LOL!
The reader will of course judge for themselves whether anything in your book is true! That’s what readers do with EVERY book!
I’m assuming YOU think your book is true. It’s hilarious that you’re suggesting I follow the precepts in a book that you describe as fiction!
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JB, whether I think your holy book is fact or fiction has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It’s whether YOU believe it to be true or not. If you do believe it’s true, then as a claimed Christian, you are bound by your faith in the god it represents to follow its precepts.
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LOLOLOLOL!
I’m bound by precepts that I believe to be true. Apparently, this isn’t true for you since you’re reluctant to articulate whether or not YOUR OWN BOOK is true.
For the record, I’m giving you the benefit of and doubt and assuming you realize how incoherent your comments have been. If you want to start over I understand. I sometimes say things in haste that don’t make sense.
Do you think your book is true?
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You do love playing on words, don’t you, JB?
I have no problems articulating anything. What I presented in my book was, as I mentioned, a result of study and research. I did not make ANY claims as to whether what I discovered was “truth.” I simply shared what I learned and offered several examples of various ideas that others believed to be true. My book is not a bible, John. No one has to live by it or they will go to hell. Nor is it offered as curriculum in any school. I wrote it to share information. Now stop being a dick.
Oh and by the way … if anyone else is following along, do let me know if you’re having problems understanding my comments.
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Got it. Your book isn’t the Bible. Nobody has to live by it or go to hell. You wrote it to share information. And you make no claims that the information is true. That is crystal clear!
So, is the Bible fiction or not?
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It’s fiction to some and truth to others.
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Brilliant!
Just like Humanism!
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Don’t take his bait, Nan. Your presentation is very clear and coherent. It is JB who is all over the place. Don’t let the cult’s attack dogs get into your head. Stay strong, my friend! Science and reason agree with you, not him!
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Nan’s comments are not incoherent. Not by a long shot. They are very coherent and very well presented.
We are very familiar with your strategy here, JB. It is typical cult behavior: Attack the character and intelligence of the ex-believer over and over again to draw attention away from the massive contradictions and errors in the cult’s belief system to which the ex-member is attempting to draw the public’s attention.
Keep up the good work, Nan! Ignore the cult’s hatchet men and attack dogs.
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“Nan’s comments are not incoherent. Not by a long shot. They are very coherent and very well presented.”
I’m just too stupid to understand then.
Please explain Nan’s point to me.
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Once again, we know your game. You have no intention of trying to understand our position. You are an attack dog. Attack dog’s attack, they don’t listen. That is why I don’t waste my time engaging you.
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I’ve done no attacking. And I have every intention of understanding your position. I’m having difficulty getting anyone to tell me their position.
I’ve asked you to clarify Nan’s point.
I suspect that you don’t know Nan’s point. You can easily prove me mistaken by explaining her point coherently. You DID claim that her thoughts were ‘very coherent’.
I’m merely a superstition, brain-washed, theist…it shouldn’t be too difficult to answer my questions.
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Very few atheists/agnostics that I know of think that EVERYTHING in the Bible is rubbish. Jesus had many wonderful humanistic and pacifist teachings that we non-supernaturalists admire and try to emulate (such as caring for the poor and needy). The Bible is a human book, and just as with any other human book, you appreciate the good parts and reject/ignore the bad parts.
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“Jesus had many wonderful humanistic and pacifist teachings that we non-supernaturalists admire and try to emulate (such as caring for the poor and needy).”
Great!
Jesus was wonderful when he said things you like! But Jesus was full of shit when he said He’s the only way to God.
Did I sum it up correctly?
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Martin Luther King was a great man…but he was wrong about some things. Mahatma Gandhi was a great man…but he was wrong about some things. Many great men and great women have said and done great things while being wrong about other things.
Being right about some things and wrong about others is the definition of being human.
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“Being right about some things and wrong about others is the definition of being human.”
Agreed.
And were wrong to post this “Dear Christians” message.
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We can’t be reminded often enough. I think it can be all to easy to get caught up in our own lives, and personal concerns, and just push to the back of our thoughts the needs of the poor and the oppressed.
Thank you.
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The point is not what we non-believers think of the bible but what you do. If you consider it be in some sense the Word of God then we should see you and other Christians acting on its precepts far more than you do.
You are more concerned with defending its fantasy elements, dissing non-believers and squabbling between yourselves about some point of doctrinal trivia. Evidently Jesus got it wrong when he said following him was about helping the poor, the sick and the naked.
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“The point is not what we non-believers think of the bible but what you do.”
I sincerely am astounded by the incoherence of this argument. That is exactly what Nan told me. Did you not bother to read my response to her?
If it doesn’t matter what non-believers think of the Bible, then why do non-believers keep insisting the Bible is fantasy? Nan thinks her beliefs were important enough to write and publish an entire book! (Of course, she won’t admit she thinks her book is true because she, like the rest of you, is a coward.)
I’m told you guys are all about science and reason. I’m told you guys are big brained thinkers with serious arguments for Humanism.
So far, all I’ve gotten is butt-hurt complaints that I’m an “attack dog” who won’t listen. All I’ve done to “attack” is ask a couple of questions. You guys can’t seem to answer a question without getting your feelings hurt.
So, you got any answers, Neil?
This should be an easy one. What scientific evidence suggests that we should care about starving people. Remember…you don’t get to use religious concepts because you don’t believe in those. Have at it! Shake me out of my superstition! Show me the science!
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Dear Gary: Every Time You Sit Down to the Dinner Table and Just Dig In Without A Moment of Gratitude, Remember the Eight Thousand Children who will Starve to Death that Day.
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I do not have the arrogance and audacity to ask an invisible friend to give me magically protected (“blessed”) food while so many little children are starving to death. What I DO do is give to charities which help feed the poor and hungry.
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“What I DO do is give to charities which help feed the poor and hungry.”
Good for you!
Millions of Christians do that too!
You have the arrogance and audacity to mock these people because they believe differently from you.
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I am not mocking Christians. I am trying to shake you out of your superstition-induced trance to see your ancient supernatural belief system for what it is: scientifically ignorant, immoral, nonsense.
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You’ll need to come out of your own superstitious trance before you can lecture Christians about science and morality.
You’ve offered nothing on this blog other than bitterness and spite.
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I am offering an intervention, a way out, of your ancient, fear-based cult.
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Hooray!
I’ve written a new post all about you, Gary!
Come on over and start the intervention. Lots of Christians read my blog so you’ll be able to help a lot of people!
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Thank you, John. You and your comments are much more effective in advancing the agenda of non-supernaturalism than any post I could ever write. Keep up the good work!
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Why didn’t you write this on my blog as part of your intervention efforts? I thought you were trying to break us all out of our superstitions?
You’re not scared are ya?
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You can copy and paste my comment to your site and then debate yourself…
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Okay!
But I don’t think that will convince anyone to convert to atheism. So much for your intervention.
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So we shouldn’t be grateful for what we have?
Every time you sit down to blog, remember the billions without access to the internet or laptops or mobiles or pc’s. And then what? Don’t blog because of that?
What are you doing to alleviate the world’s hunger? I would hope you are involved somewhere.
As an atheist what is your explanation for why people starve in the world, since you can’t blame God?
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My explanation for why people starve: Economic and political factors. Facts.
My worldview does not include any conniving, capricious, invisible deities, especially ones who curse little children to starve to death because their ancient ancestors ate some of his or her fruit.
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Hmmm. I don’t believe in that type of deity either.
So Christians shouldn’t be grateful for what they have?
Your comments especially on this post are illogical.
So as an atheist you find nothing immoral about the starving millions, but if there’s a God it is immoral?
If there’s a God the starving isn’t political and economic, but if there isn’t a God, those reasons apply?
No logic there.
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Let me see if I can make it very simple for you: IF your god exists, and IF he is all-knowing and all-powerful as you believe, he is an immoral MONSTER for allowing 8,000 little children to starve to death every day, day after day, year after year, century after century, millennia after millennia.
If you cannot grasp that concept, you are then hopelessly brainwashed by your cult and there is nothing I can do to rescue your from your delusions.
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Hi Gary. Found your blog by the link JB provided in his inane response post. Cheers and keep up the great posts. ID… “Intelligent Discussion” with JB and his daughter Amanda is not possible. Might as well wish him well and ignore them.
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Yes, you are absolutely right. Attempting a discussion with JB is no different than attempting a conversation with the Westboro Baptist cult members. He is so deeply indoctrinated (brainwashed) in his cult that it is impossible to have an intelligent, rational discussion with him. He and they are a lost cause. But we are not trying to deconvert JB. We are trying to flood the internet with the message of the REAL “good news”: that invisible ghosts, goblins, and gods are not real. Our goal is to deconvert future generations of theists before they are too heavily indoctrinated.
Come to the light of reason and science, dear theists! Escape the darkness of superstition and fear-based supernatural beliefs.
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You do a great job brother. It’s the lurkers in the background and readers witnessing the responses of Internet Apologists extraordinaire that are my real targets too. Cheers
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“Thank you, John. You and your comments are much more effective in advancing the agenda of non-supernaturalism than any post I could ever write. Keep up the good work!”
Actually, JB, I think Gary is probably right! I’ve decided to deconvert, and it’s all because you pointed out Gary’s arrogant, irrational thinking. Way to go.
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Oh no!!!!!
I’ve lost my own daughter!
I’m going to round-up the rest of the Westboro Baptist cult and buy an extra large box of brainwashing detergent and come see you!
Please tell me which of Gary’s statements woke you from your superstitious trance?
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Well… mostly, I’ve just never liked praying before meals.
Now I don’t have to. Sweet freedom.
You can come over later, but don’t expect me to answer any more questions. Now that I’m an Atheist, all of your questions are irrelevant and/or the result of indoctrination and/or incoherent. (Because science.)
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AAAAArrrgh! Bested again by science! The jig is up!
Which scientific discovery shook you out of your superstitious trance? Tell me, so that I too can find enlightenment!
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That sounds like a question!
I don’t have to answer questions! Only Christians do!
(But, okay, it was his pep talk to Nan that really pushed me over the edge. “Don’t take his bait, Nan. Your presentation is very clear and coherent. It is JB who is all over the place. Don’t let the cult’s attack dogs get into your head. Stay strong, my friend! Science and reason agree with you, not him!”
You’re wrong, you’re wrong, you’re wrong…and I’ll stay strong!!!! Sounds like nothing but reason to me.
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Ok. I’ll concede that point.
Calling me a cultist attack dog is sound science.
Did you find it persuasive when Nan refused to proclaim her own book is truthful?
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Well, that was a little confusing at first… I thought, “Who writes a book that they don’t even think is true?”…
But then I got to the part where Gary insisted, “This is coherent! It is, it is, it is! Stay strong!” and I sort of felt a warm sensation spread over my body…
Now I realize I might want to write a book of my own someday–using research that may or may not be true. It would be handy not to have to answer any questions about it.
Atheism rocks!
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Dear Amanda,
Christianity will make you feel warm and happy. It’s very coherent. It really is! You don’t need to answer questions if you don’t want to. You don’t need to pray at dinner time. Just accept the faith blindly and you’ll feel superior to atheists. You’ll feel great and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?
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Uh oh…
Help me, Gary!…
I feel like I may be slipping back into Christianity!
Help me stay strong!
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GARY! Where are you? This is an emergency!
I’m starting to feel self-conscious that I’m not allowed to believe anything is “true.”
What do I do?!?!
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That self-consciousness is just reason trying to creep in! Don’t let it! Stay strong! Don’t worry about what’s true! Just follow your heart. Blind faith will make you feel good!
It will! Come back to the faith!
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…I guess Gary is just going to allow me to be brainwashed. 😦 😦 😦
That seems kind of lacking in compassion to me. BUT, I used to believe compassion played a part in the moral laws of the Universe, and now I realize there are no such laws. So, I guess he’s entitled to leave me hanging here. (I blame political and economic factors.)
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Jb, and I know you were just cracking wise…, Why would the first thing you think of when the thought of Amanda deconverting from Christianity enters your mind, and I don’t think there’s much chance she was being serious either, was that you would be losing your daughter?
I realize also that you are just kidding there too, but a ‘Freudian slip’ tells me that the idea, of separating or being removed from your family memebers, might be a consequence of deconversion you are at least subconsciously aware of… and wouldn’t want to be the case.
By the way… It’s not a joke or a false reaction for alot of families and friends to do just that when discovering their Christian buddy or son has left the church. Shunning and disconnection still happens and by new testament biblical authority. Good on you for, at least unknowingly and subconsciously by your ‘Freudian’ attempt at humour agreeing that is a bad and horrible proscriptive.
Jb, there may be hope for you yet. Cheers. -kia
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When you remove yourself from the faith, you are shunning those who still believe. It is YOU who creates the crack in relationships.
Cheers
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No sir. I’m still in contact with those will still contact me. I found it that that number has dwindled because the ones who I consider ‘church family’ and who did likewise… Supposedly closer than my biological family… have chosen not to return calls or messages, except for a very few people.
Here a question though for you surprisingly direct and honest answer to my firatquestiokn. Why would one think that leaving church or the faith as a whole constitutes abandoning relationships with those closest to you? Why would your reaction be in their rejection of their faith, as if they had rejected you personally?
As your previous post pointed out and I said in my response post… It really not about you at all. Why would you take someone else’s decision to deconvert so personally as to consider the other person to have ‘abandoned’ you?
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It’s not about me, yet you keep asking me questions.
You have rejected the eternal fellowship that God offers. You have accused the church people of abuse. Now you’re upset because they don’t return your calls?
It’s not about you, Mike.
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Such empathy you have. Have a great day jb. You are close enough to feel it, but can’t quite make the connection yet. I’m sad for you. And I’m sad for those like me. Whole lotta sadness in my reaction to your comments here.
Family and friends, people you love and who love you are way more important than you realize now, than Christianity leads you to think. But someday, you may see fr where I am now. Just sadness.
Again… Have a great day.
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Save your empathy! I’m still connected to the source of life.
You’re adrift in confusion, depravity, and selfishness. You are there because you want to be there. If you repent of your arrogance, God will take you back instantly.
Have a Day filled with uncomfortable, honest, contemplation.
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Oh no… You misunderstood me. I was commenting on your lack of empathy. Again, have a great day.
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Oh.
Still passing judgment on everyone…so you like that part of Christianity!
Have a Day filled with truth.
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Very unfunny and “Color Storm-esque” of you John. I’d almost think to quote you…”Your much learning has made you mad (crazy)”… But alas, you haven’t ‘learned much’ of anything yet but how to be cruel and vindictive toward those who have the temerity to disagree with you. Have a great life.
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More judgment!
Keep it up, Mike. You’re much more Color Storm than me.
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“What a cruel bastard of a god you have.” –Mike, April 2017
“Christianity is based on lies.” — Mike, March 2017
“If you cannot trust what is written in the Bible completely, you cannot be a Christian. [Same conversation: “(Parents who neglected their son) actually applied Scripture.”]
–Mike, March 2017
“… Christianity is a death cult…” –Mike
“Why won’t my old ‘family’ return my calls, after I abandoned them and turned bitter toward everything they hold dear?” –Mike, December 2017
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JB and Mrs. M — you two do have an act together, right? I bet you’re a total success! I’m amazed, simply amazed, that you bother with such mundane things like discussing religion (or non-religion) on blogs. I would think you would be out practicing and preparing for the big-time so you can get your name in lights! Oh wait. Maybe that’s what you’re doing …
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*takes a bow*
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We’re working on a bit about an author who publishes research that she refuses to say is true!
It’s hilarious! You’ll love it!
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I simply find it fascinatingly inane that atheist/humanists or whatever they call themselves actually fight so arduously to refute something they do not believe even exists….it’s like denying there are only two genders…what a waste of time and energy. Why aren’t they out rescuing the starving children? Oh, wait, do starving children really exist? I mean, perhaps they really feel that they are fat, and just don’t eat and have adults telling them, “It’s okay…and if you don’t want to eat you don’t have to.” Because, isn’t it really an all about ‘me’ cult and what the ‘me’ people feel or believe is true….others don’t matter at all, unless they disagree with the ‘me’s?? Hmmm, so who can you believe? Today you’re a boy with boy parts and boy chromosomes tomorrow you’re a girl…with or without boy parts, but still with boy chromosomes. Today you’re an atheist (or whatever)…and the only truth is what YOU say. I’m would be confused except for this…
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
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I don’t mean to speak for Gary, but somehow I don’t think he’s going to be swayed by scripture quoting.
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Gary is the one conducting the intervention…
It seems that Cheryl needs to see a little more of “the light of reason and science,” before she can “escape the darkness of superstition and fear-based supernatural beliefs.”
Stay strong, Nan!
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Thank you, Mrs. M. I intend to. 🙂
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Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, “Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.”
And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals
Now did the Lord say, “First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three.
Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three.
Five is right out.
Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.”
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“run away… run away!!”
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