Another Evangelical abandons Christianity

Below is an excerpt from the deconversion story of another Evangelical Christian abandoning his Faith.  (This blogger needs an editor:  many typos)  Copied from a pdf document on his blog: 

Bitter Sweet End

Segment 2– Historical Discrepancies

 

 

Introduction to the Historical Evidence
 

So the next step in my unfaith or de–conversion was the historical aspect of Christianity. Anybody who knows me deeply knows that I have a fascination with textual criticism, biblical archeology, early church history, and the history of the bible. So in all of my previous studies of the history of the bible and textual criticism, it has always led me to affirm my faith. But after my first initial doubts on the contradictions of thebible; it got me thinking. How can the bible be so fallacious when we have so much archeological proof and historic proof for the bible and the existence of Jesus.  In fact there are over 5000 New Testament manuscripts.  (Granted, the majority of those manuscripts date some over 400 years after Jesus had lived.)  And no book even comes in a close second, with the Homer’s Iliad with somewhere around only 643 manuscripts.

 

Re–Evaluating the Secular Eyewitness Accounts
 

So the first question when I started reviewing the historical context ofJesus and his existence was, ‘What about all the secular and non-biblical accounts that support the existence of Jesus and all the miracles he did?’  So I went on the internet to confirm my non–biblical historical sources of Jesus but after  some criticism, I realized that the non–biblical sources were not asreliable as first expected. There were several fundamental snags in the non–biblical sources. 1) None of the accounts were from a time of when Jesus was alive. In other words all the secular historical sources for existence of God, were not eye

witness accounts.  2)  Many ofthe references are talking about Christians in general not to Jesus being the Christ specifically. 3)  Most of them don’t attest to Jesus being a miracle worker or a performer of miraculous things. Of the few that do have reference to Jesus, they make him sound like just a mere man.

 

With one exception, Josephus Flavious the famous Jewish Historian.

 

The most celebrated secular source for the existence of Jesus is from the famed  Jewish Historian Josephus (37 A.D. – 100 A.D.).  His work is the earliest non–biblical secular source for Jesus the Christ.  Both secular scholars and Christian scholars agree that there was some interpolation andtampering in some of Josephus’ writings about Jesus. But they disagree on the degree of how much of it is fraud & forgery and howmuch is genuinely authentic.  (And forgery was a common practice during the 2nd and 4th Century.) Here are several reasons why:

·    In addition, early church fathers make no mention of Josephus’ Testimonium Flavium words of Jesus until the fourth century of Eusbius. Even though several early church fathers had a vast knowledge of Josephus’ work and even quote him at times. This particular paragraph is never mentioned.

·    Ifone was to read the text and paragraph and extract it from the general text. It wouldtake nothing away from the general article. (In my opinion, it actually makes more sense without it.)

·    There are discrepancies in the wording and sentence structure of the different linguistic versions

ofthe Josephus’ Testimonium Flavium (i.e. Greek, Syraic andArabic).

·    Josephus was a Jew and a historian. He would not have regarded Jesus as the Christ. And not with such boldness as a historian. (In fact, early church father Origen cites in his writings that Josephus

was not a Christian anddid not consider Jesus to be the messiah.)

·    Calling anybody the Messiah in Jewish culture is not a light acknowledgement. It is a very serious matter in Jewish society andculture. So it is hard to imagine and ill–conceived for me or anyone to believe that if Josephus did believe Jesus was the Christ, would have only dedicated a small paragraph to this matter.

 

 

 

It seems odd to me, a man who had healed the blind, walked on water, feed 4000 and then 5000, have no first hand secular accounts testifying to these miraculous events.  It’s almost irrational to assume that Jesus had these mass followings at times, but when the people went home at night. No one thought to write it down.

 

Oh well at least we have the Gospels as first hand eye witness accounts. Or so we think.

 

 

 

Are the Gospels Eyewitness Accounts?
 

I realized something else in my analytical review of Christian history.  That for thegospels to be considered eye–witness accounts, none of them read like eye witness accounts.  It is only logical to assume that a firsthand account or eye witness account of something is tobe written infirst person.  And after researching this logical and common sense discrepancy I really could not find a scholarly apologetic answer for it.  I actually did a blog post on the topic here, if you want to read thefull report, but the following is an abridged version ofmy findings and study of it.

 

The only answer I could find was:
 

·    It was the writing style of the time.

Or

·    It is God who inspired the bible and who wrote and dictated for him. Those who wrote the Bible were inspired by God. They wrote his thoughts, not their own.

 

Bothanswers are clouded in discrepancy and difficulty.  First, it was not the writing style of the time. All you need to do is read other biblical or non–biblical sources to figure that out. It was not a common thing to write eye–witness accounts in third person. Secondly, to say God inspired the bible is the reason the apostles wrote in third person, is not a justifiable reason, because God also inspired the apostles to write

1st, 2nd,and 3rd John in first person. And inspired Luke to write part of the Acts of the Apostles in first person. So to say God inspired one part in first person andthe next part in third person isto accuse God of being inconsistent.

 

After a considerable amount of review on the issue, I found some additional sources that saidthat the Gospels are written anonymously. And that noone really knows who wrote the Gospels.  So it is assumed that the name Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were attributed to the gospels many decades after they

werewritten to distinguish between all the other gnostic gospels like the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary, or the Gospel of Truth. (After all the gospels in their own writings and words don’t attribute authorship to anyone.)

 

 

 

John and Peter???
 

Now this is something I came across, after watching some YouTube videos on agnostic scholar Br. Bart Ehrman.  He claims that there is no way for John the apostle and Peter the apostle for them to have written their New Testament works.

 

Simon Peter and John were both common ordinary fishermen. Likely illiterate fishermen. In fact,when Jesus approached Peter for the first time, he was at work fishing.  So, it is hard to imagine they were both was able to read and write. Nonetheless read, write, and speak fluently in both Greek and Aramaic.

 

So the idea that (Simon) Peter and John were both able to compose such a highly regarded and charismatic literary work with that level of Greek literary skill is highly improbable.

 

Historical research does suggest it is possible, that Jesus and a few of the disciples were able to speak and understand both Greek and Aramaic. Since that part ofthe world was heavily engulfed in the Hellenistic Jewish culture.  It isvery plausible that they both spoke Greek, but not read and write it.

 

“Now when they sawthe boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men…” Acts 4:13.  (Some versions say uneducated, unschooled, unlearned, common, and ordinary. It all means the same illiterate.)

 

However,it is not reasonable to assume that they were both able to read & write fluent Greek to a high literary degree and skill to be able to compose some of the New Testament writings we have today without a formal education. It is nearly impossible to imagine that they were able to read and write in Greek considering they had no formal education.

 

Why are there no Aramaic or Hebrew Manuscripts?
 

As I mentioned earlier, there are well over 5000 NT manuscripts. However, not oneis in the natural language of Jesus and his disciples.  This is one I have been researching to some degree lately; but the problem is that I can’t findany scholarly answers. Even the theological answers seem to be lacking.

 

 

To put it in context. Imagine a story of a great & wise person who is performing all these miracles in Tampa, FL.  This person has turned water into wine. They have healed the sick, raised thedead, and has a following counting anywhere between 6,000 to 10,000people.

This story of this miracle worker has caught the attention of people in Honduras. And theHonduran people who have been hearing this wonderful story of this miraculous person doing all these miracles; have become super excited, and have become committed converts following in the teachings of this Floridian miracle worker. Reading and studying the miracle workers teachings in Spanish.

After much time had passed several Hondurans noticed that all the articles and works about this person who is from America, are all published and written in Spanish. Not one is in the native language of this miracle worker. In fact, when they go back to Tampa, FL, to find his so called thousands of followers, they can’t find them. There is no evidence of a following in Tampa.  In point, when they begin to question people from that region; they can barely find information on this miracle worker. Even the famous Floridian historians from that region can’t give an account to the miracle worker. On the other hand back

in Mexico they can find over 5000 manuscripts/articles about this miracle worker in Spanish, but nothing in his natural tongue English. What iswrong with this picture?

Final Thoughts
 

Lastly, one of the arguments I use to give to people when I went out witnessing to people who doubted the authenticity ofthe Jesus story, I would point out the uniqueness of Jesus. The uniqueness of the salvation message. The uniqueness that Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man. The uniqueness of prophecy and the uniqueness that the way he came about.

 

But now, I can no longer even consider it unique.  In history there are many people who claimed to be the messiah and  do miracles. There are many accounts of people  who said they were God. In fact even in ancient history there are similar biblical stories in other pagan cultures. That predates Christianity and thebible. It seems to me that much of both the New Testament and Old Testament seems to be just exaggerated stories of truth.

 

I think in the historical criticism of Jesus we must go back and revisit C.S. Lewis Trilemma of Jesus. That he was either: a Liar, a Lunatic, or Lord.
 

·    Was Jesus Lord? God in the Flesh, who died on the cross?

·    Was Jesus a Lunatic and people were following a crazy man the entire time?

·    Was Jesus a Liar?  He lied about being the son of God and the Christ?

 

What is more likely: That a man was God? Or that a Jewish Man wouldlie?

 

 

 

 

Segment 3– Unanswered Prayer

 

Introduction
 

This is the third segment of articles that provide a more refined outlook onto why I am a no longer a Christian. This article will be addressing prayer or more specifically unanswered prayer. Now I did not research this topic nor did I research the scientific studies of prayer or blog about prayer.  This one will be moreabout the personal experience I encountered in my own prayer life, and what I observed in the aspect of other people.

 

Every young Christian or newly saved Christian learns the  promise scriptures about prayer & faith. We areall taught that God is our heavenly father and wants the best for us. I myself have taught on the Lord ’s Prayer (doxology), and how it is our guide onhow to pray.  On the other hand with Godbeing our Father, we also learn very quickly that we can go to our heavenly father in prayer. That we can petition him in prayer & supplication.  And with enthusiasm, every young and newly saved Christian puts these verses into application. Andwhen they do, that is when they experience their first moment of unanswered prayer.  Their first moment ina long string of unanswered petitions and their first moment of disappoint in this all powerful omnipotent benevolent God.  To some it is their first moment of doubt.

 

A Moment of Doubt
 

I remember sometime during this entire process, but early on I was working with the kids in the back doing a Sunday school lesson and sometime during the lesson the topic turned to unanswered prayer. And I asked the kids, have you ever asked God for something or to do something and it didn’t happen the way you wanted?  And all at once alltheir hands shot up.  It surprised me, not just all their hands went up, but how so quickly th ey all knew and responded to the disappointment of unanswered prayer.  Then I started to go into why we have unanswered prayer, but before I could finish they started to tell me they already knew why there is unanswered payer…..It wasn’t God’s will, Faith, Not enough faith, God had a different plan. They were answering the question before I could even get to it.

I can tell from the look on some of their faces that they had recently just experienced a moment of unanswered prayer.  And from the lookof others, they were already desensitized to unanswered prayer.

 

What disappointed me most about the whole situation was not just the all had experienced unanswered prayer and that they each they knew and had fully experienced unanswered prayer and have allbeen fed the excuses why prayer doesn’t work and God doesn’t deliver.  But that at all less than 10 years old, they had all experienced unanswered prayer and given disappointing excuses by us adults that that unanswered prayer is a norm in the Christian lifestyle.  And that through these excuses (i.e. Not God’s Will, Lack of Faith, God could of Said No) that they should NOT should not expect for God to answer their prayers.

 

And through these excuse we teach our youth, and ourselves that we should pray to God without real expectation or results.  And for some of them this is just one moment in a long string of unanswered petitions and their first moment of disappoint in this all powerful omnipotent benevolent God.  To some it is their first moment of doubt.  (I remember mine, do you remember yours?)

 

 

 

My first moment of doubt and unanswered prayer
 

I was in college and newly saved.  Thus in embracing this new Christian Marcus, I dived into studying and reading about my God and my new Christian faith.  And in doing this I learned not just from my pastor at that time, but from the Bible the power of prayer.  That prayer was our communication with God and in prayer

through Christ we have power.  So I boldly put my faith, the word, and prayer into action….

 

I prayed for God to return my keys to me.  I really needed my keys, because I had them. It was the keys to my apartment, so I couldn’t lock my apartment door and of course I was afraid of being robbed.

 

The point is I really couldn’t afford to have itreplace, because I was on a college student budget.  [And because these were college-student apartment keys, they were not cheaply replaced.  You actually have to go up to the front desk and pay somewhere like $20 dollars for a replacement key.  You couldn’t ju st go to Walmart, they wouldn’t replace them for you.]  So I prayed every night for about a week for God, to helpme find my keys.  Or to return my keys back to me.

 

 

Of course I did my part.  I went to the library lost and found, the school lost and found , retraced my steps, but to no avail I still couldn’t find my keys.  Strategically I remember what the scriptures (Mattew 18:19) said, “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.”  SoI got several of my brothers in Christ together for a quick prayer.  I still remember the look on the face of one of my friends.  A look not of disgust, but more of surprise…like why would pray for a think like that.  So we held hands, bowed our heads and prayed that God would return my keys. In fact we named it and claimed it.  (I went to a prosperity church atthat time.)  Nonetheless, I put my faith behind this prayer, because I really needed my keys, and I couldn’t afford to replace them.

 

My logic behind the matter was threefold. 1) All I needed was more faith, so to get that more faith.  I enlisted other brothers of the faith. 2)  For God to return my keys would be nothing for an omnipotent all –powerful God.  For him, this would be like getting out of bed.  A simple and easy task for my all–powerful god.

 

Needless to say, I never found my keys and I ended up paying the money anyway.

 

 

I know this is such a microscopic dilemma to ever be considered in the testimony of the problem of prayer and unanswered prayer.  However that is the exact reason I brought it up in the problems of prayer. For the reason that an Omnipotent All–Powerful Deity to have returned my keys would have been nothing in regards to work and effort.  It would not have taken some miracle.  Or some spectacle. Or some suspension of the laws of nature and physics.  It could have been as so simple as….You left it at the bagel shop.  Or Turn left here and lookdown.  Icouldn’t fathom the idea, that it was God’s will for me not to find my keys and to pay out of pocket money I couldn’t really afford to spend.  I tried to think to myself, maybe there was a lesson in all this. But in the end I did not learn any lesson and life just went on as normal.

 

Yet, I did learn one valuable lesson.  Sometimes even with prayer, faith, petition and supplication. God can still letyou down on the big things as well on the small things.

 

 

 

Final Thoughts
 

Now my first moment of doubt and unanswered prayer is relatively un–dramatic.  Yet, in reality it set the tone for prayer in my life.  Just like in most Christians I assume it would do for any believer.

 

The majority of most born–again believers.  They enter into this new covenant through prayer.  Thus through that prayer of salvation we get saved, receive the Holy Spirit and pour out hearts out to God.  So one of the natural indoctrinations of Christianity was prayer; our communication with God.  We learn things like so:
 

·     Ask and Receive (John 16:24)

·     If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain (Luke 17:6)

·     That we areto pray God’s Will (The Lord’sPrayer, Matthew 6:10)

·     In the prayers of a righteous man are power (James 5:16)

·     All of God’s Promises are Yes and A–Men (2 Corinthians 1:20)

·     Whatever you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive. (Matthew 21:22)

·       You can ask for anything inmy name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father. Yes, askme for anything in my name, and I will do it! (John 14:13–14)

 

So in familiarizing ourselves with these prayer scriptures, the new (young) believer believes that in prayer that God is capable of doing anything & everything. So in their prayers they too ask for anything & everything. In many cases, the new believer’s prayers are bold, forward, and straight to the point.  Because they believe in an infinite God, who could do the impossible, thus so in prayer we ask for the impossible.

 

Then we realize in our time ofprayer, too many times the impossible prayer request is never filled. Then we ask for the improbable, but that too falls short.  Thus we realize that just because we can ask for anything & everything does not mean God will do anything or everything.  In essence our prayer changes from the most miraculous and impossible things to basic things, like Lord keep me safe and bless my food. So in this indoctrination of prayer, we relearn how to pray, to keep ourselves from being setup with disappointment and doubt.  No longer waiting with guaranteed assurance that our prayer will be answered with 100% expectation.  But now praying for more abstract things….Guidance, Strength, Salvation, Wisdom, Forgiveness and a moreloving spirit to be more like you Christ and heal our marriage.  Because we know in our hearts if we ask for anything else, then we are just setting ourselves up for disappointment.

 

We go from God will answer all prayers and give us all the desires of our heart; to Godwill answer some prayers, but not always in the way or time orhow you expect.  And if God doesn’t answer your prayers, He must have had a good reason why it went unanswered. I.E. Maybe they didn’t have enough faith, maybe it wasn’t God will, maybe they weren’t praying in a way that glorifies God’s name, maybe God’s answer was just NO, maybe it was just their time to go.  Or maybe……

 

…..I was really questioning whether I should leave this quote in. I was very hesitant to leave it, because itis somewhat offense to the Christian and his/her faith.  But then I realized, why would it offend a Chri stian?

 

“You pray to your god, I’ll pray to a cabbage, and I bet we’ll getthe same result.”– Barbara Jean Price

Segment 4– The Character and Attributes of God

This is the fourth segment into an analysis of what I find fallacious about Christianity.  At some point in shedding myChristian biases, I started to think that the concept of the Evangelical Christian God was illogical and inconsistent.  That the concept and attributes we have assigned for a Christian biblical God makes no rational sense.

 They contradi ct l og i cal ly and bi bl i cal l y.  Thi s i s parti al ly the phi l osophi cal arg um ents agai nst the God  of  t he  Bi bl e.  

 

 Let ’ s  t a ke  the  ba sic s:

 Premi s e 1: God is Love (1 John 4:8)

 Premi s e 2: God is Jealous (Exodus 20:5)

 Premi s e 3: Love can’t be Jealous (1 Corinthians 13:4)

 Con clus i on  : God is confused about whom he wants to be or God is Bipolar

 

Yes it is really that simple to show the faulty logic of the God and the Bible. Let’s Try one more…

 

 Premi s e 1: God is a God of Peace (Romans 15:33)

 Premi s e 2: God is a God of War (Exodus 15:3)

 Con clus i on  : God is a peaceful warrior.  Who destroys cities and conquers land for the sake of peace.

 

Some might say you are taking it out of context and taking too radical of an approach to the scriptures.  I will concede that I may be doing that, but it is easy to do so with a book written by man.

 

Playing  Peek  a  Boo  with  a  Omnipresent  God

We say that God is everywhere, but I find that suspicious considering that God couldn’t even find Adam and Eve in the garden. It just seems odd that an all–knowing omniscience God who is everywhere would ever search for anyone? Doesn’t he already know where Adam and Eve is? Then here comes the rebuttal, ‘Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight’ (Hebrews 4:13); he knew he was just asking so they could come out of hiding. They why does God ask Cain where is his brother. Shouldn’t he already know, if nothing is hidden from his eyes? Or is God asking a question to what he already knows the answer simply so he can entertain himself with mind games.

 

Anotherrebuttal I have studied is that omnipresent doesn’t mean God is everywhere and sees everything at one time, but that God could be anywhere and has the capabilities to see anything in anyplace if he so chooses. But let’s be honest about the biblical context. The bible does not say that. In fact Proverbs 15:3 says that the eyes of God are everywhere.

 

So then I must ask,  i f  God  i s  ev ery where,  then  why  i s  he  so  hard  to  pi npoi nt?

 

“God being thus hidden, any religion that does not say God is hidden is not true, and any religion that does not explain why [God is hidden] doesnot instruct.” –Blaise Pascal

 

And to my Christian colleague who says, ‘God is not hidden, we can see him all around us in nature.He is within us withthe Holy Spirit. How can you say Godis Hidden?’.............Oh really..…:

 

 

“Truly you are a God who hides himself, O God and Savior of Israel.”–

Isaiah 45:15

Howeverif God is everywhere, why is he so hidden and so hard to find? If God is everywhere, why is it that Judaism was only limited to the Middle East? If god is everywhere and has revealed himself to everyone, then why is not everyone a Christian? Then why did God restrict himself to the Ark of the Covenant? Why give the 10 commandments to only Moses, why not people in India or South America or China or Australia so that more could hearhis message?  It seems God is not everywhere, but only exist in the minds of only those who choose to believe in him.

 

 

There is an old argument that explains why God is so hard to find, called the  A rg umen t  from Non -beli ef  orthe  F law

 of God ’s  Divi n e H i dd en es s  :

1.If God exists, then:

 

1.God wants all humans to believe God exists before they die;

 

2.God can bring about a situation in which all humans believe God exists before they die;

 

3.God does not want anything that would conflict with and be at least as important as its desire for allhumans to believe God exists before they die; and

 

4.God always acts in accordance with what he most wants.

 

2.If God exists, all humans would believe sobefore they die (from 1).

 

3.But not all humans believe God exists before they die.

 

4.  Therefore, God does not exist (from 2 and 3).

 

 

 Perfect
 

Can something imperfect come out of something perfect? And if so, can we still call it perfect? If the answer to this is Yes, then we also have to believe that this perfect being created this imperfect universe and imperfect earth and imperfect creatures. Given if he is so perfect, why couldn‘t he even convince the whole world he exists? (Is that not a simple task for an all perfect being?)  It is mind-boggling for me to believe that a perfect deity would create such a flawed design.

 

I find this to bethe most troubling characteristic/attribute of the God of Judeo–Christianity. It is hard for me now to imagine and believe that Yahweh an all–powerful, all–knowing, infinitely wise and most importantly a Perfect deity; that he be creator of such an unsound & fallacious plan.

 

I think for me when I think of a perfect God, who is the creator and cause of all things, I think of a perfect world, a perfect universe, peace, joy, happiness, and no illogical suffering. But here is the thing I don’t see those things, so why should I still believe that God is perfect?

 

And I know some will say ah–ha Free–Will, but then why would a Perfect God create Free–Will knowing full well in advance the negative impact it will have? (If you so do believe in free–will.)

 

 God’ s  Divine  P lan
 

To call oneself a Christian is to also to believe in God’s divine perfect plan, but if we were to really think about this plan. We would notice several flaws. How could we put our faith in not only a flawed plan, but a plan at times that does not make common sense? Let’s take a look at God’s Plan:

1.   Believe that an eternal, infinite, all–powerful, and all–knowing, and all-loving God exist.  And believe that this being exist without limitation, and will know what will occur in the future or how people will perceive it or interpret it.

2.   Create the universe in six days, in this order:

 

a.i.   Day 1– Light, but no Sun, and –Water, but no Sun to keep it in liquid form.

 

a.ii.   Day 2– He created the Sky, so there was a sky with light but no Sun.

 

a.iii.   Day 3– He created Land, also with the appearance of age. To fool our greatest scientific minds.  Also create fruit and vegetation and a tree for the full purpose of tempting the woman you will create on day 6.

 

a.iv.   Day 4– Finally create the Sun.  In addition, create black–holes, stars, and other galaxies also with the appearance of time and light–years so that our astronomical scientific community could be truly confused on the age of the universe.

 

a.v.   Day 5– Create animals, and don’t forget to create one snake endowed with lips, intellect and vocal chords.  For the full purpose of deceiving the human race and the woman you will create tomorrow.

 

a.vi.   Day 6– Finally create the first two humans Adam and Eve with no belly buttons, with the full knowledge they will be imperfect and deceive you.

 

a.vii.   Day 7– Rest, because anall-powerful gods need their rest.

 

 

3.   Correction Genesis 2. Create man first, garden, fruit, vegetation, then animals, and then woman.

 

4.   In addition create a hell for your creations who do not worship you in their free–will, whom you have already foreknew and predestined (Romans 8:29) since the beginning of time and already know who will or will not worship you.

 

5.   After much, this all–powerful, all–knowing creature becomes upset with hiscreation, and kills them all ina giant flood.  Having one family build a large boat, and fill it with all types of animals.  (Alligators, Chickens, Lions, Rats, Cats, Dogs, Tigers, and Antelope.)  How the Lion manage not to eatthe antelope is amazing to me.  Sparing one family to repopulate the earth.

 

6.   Then cause a worldwide famine, to have your people migrate to Egypt to eventually have them tricked into being slaves.  All for your glory.  Because you knew this would happen.

 

7.   Cause 7 plagues, with one of them that kills innocent children instead of the perpetrator that is actually keeping your people in slavery.

 

8.   To the full knowledge of this God, knowing that killing everyone would not wipe out wickednes s. This all-powerful, all–knowing God tries a new method in the idea of coming to earth as himself/Son and killing himself/Son.  Knowing that full well this will not rid the world of evil.  However it would satisfy hisanger and wrath.

 

9.   While on earth, God/His Son performs marvelous miracles, knowing that full well people will be speculative of these miracles, because they were all done before the time of YouTube, computers, and cell phones with cameras.  So there isno way to truly verify the authenticity of these miracles completely.

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