Tony Williams, evangelical apologist, Bellator Christi blog: This is where we can take our [atheist] interlocutor back to the beginning and provide a new view of reality that starts with the metaphysical and leads to the physical as opposed to the world’s [atheistic, naturalist] opposite assumption. We can show them the clear idea of Creatio Ex Nihilo, or creation out of nothing. We can give God the glory for His creative works, as well as the unseen and immaterial realities that are from Him like love that we all know is as real as any apple that drops on our head due to an invisible and highly powerful force we call gravity.
Gary, non-supernaturalist: This is an excellent approach against a hard atheist, someone who insists he or she knows as fact that a “spirit world” does not exist. But many modern counter apologists, such as myself, are not hard atheists. We accept the possibility that gods, angels, and devils exist, we just don’t see any convincing evidence that these beings currently operate within our universe. Our position does not involve a bias against religion or the supernatural, as apologists will claim. We apply the same rational for non-belief in gods, angels, and devils as we do for non-belief in unicorns, leprechauns, and flying witches. In regards to the origin of the universe, I personally never debate this topic with Christians or other theists. Why? Scientists have not reached a consensus opinion on this issue. If the experts (scientists) can’t agree on the origin of the universe, who am I (or any other non-expert) to claim that he or she knows the answer to this question. Therefore, I simply accept the possibility that our universe was created by an intelligent being and then ask the Christian: “Please provide good objective evidence that your god, Yahweh/Jesus the resurrected Christ, is our creator.” And that is when the discussion gets interesting!
Question for you, Tony: Do you perceive the presence of Jesus within you?
Tony Williams: [no response]
Gary: I have found that most evangelical apologists don’t want to answer this question. In fact, they avoid it like the plague. It is the achilles heel of Christian apologetics. Evangelical apologists are embarrassed to discuss this subject with skeptics. It is as if I claimed that the ghost of Jimmy Hoffa lives inside me, whispering to me in a still, small voice the truth about his disappearance. You and every other educated, rational person on the planet would think I’m delusional! And you know that is exactly what educated non-Christians will say about you if you admit that you believe the ghost of Jesus lives somewhere inside your body, communicating with you in some inaudible fashion. That is why you and most other Christian apologists refuse to answer this question!
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Escaping Christian Fundamentalism 
The skeptic may pridefully THINK he has gained the upper hand with the topic of the indwelling Christ, but not to all who believe that. When you don’t have it, then you cannot possibly expect to grasp the experience, nor to believe in its reality. Nobody really cares. Skeptics believe whatever they want to believe on the basis of their own subjective standards. Again, so what? Queen sang about it best…Nothing really matters…. When you have nothing, then your experience to the contrary will remain equally empty and bereft of understanding. Your lives have no meaning, and are going nowhere. So what? Why push yourself into these discussions with believers? Are you feeling guilty, feeling empty? What is it? What do you want?
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I am involved in one of the greatest movements of humankind: the debunking of religious superstitions. I do not deny for one second that religious delusions are comforting. I believe that is one of the primary reasons people believe them. However, what may be comforting for you is bad for society as a whole.
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Then YOU are part of the problem whn you think it’s ok to try and tear down the beliefs of others! You think it ok to believe what YOU want to believe, in that YOUR religion is allegedly superior and harmless. Where did you get that idea? Atheists, for example, have killed their own millions and millions. Are they superior in their religious beliefs? Come on! Who are you trying to fool here?
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I once had the “experience” of a so-called indwelling of Christ so I’m well aware of what it feels like and how it influences how one sees life. However, in actuality, it’s an illusion — one that has been “taught” over the centuries to the point that believers now accept it as real.
I can’t speak for Gary, but my life is full. I have no need for outside (spiritual) influences to help me enjoy my time on this earth. For me, everything matters, unlike the reference you offered by the Queens. Further, if this is your perspective on life, then it would seem YOU are the one who is missing out.
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