Decency Has Prevailed in America…Barely

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Well, I wish it had been by a much larger margin, but America has chosen decency over division. I, like many of my fellow Americans, am so relieved that the long nightmare of Donald Trump will soon be history.

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Part of our long nightmare has been watching the overwhelming majority of Evangelical Christians, the self-proclaimed “moral majority”, supporting and lavishing praise on an amoral, wannabe dictator who has systematically attacked and undermined the institutions of our democracy. Here is a sample of the thinking and behavior of these Americans:

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44 thoughts on “Decency Has Prevailed in America…Barely

  1. HEAR HEAR Gary!!! The four year nightmare is over. Now the USA can return to rejoining the rest of the world (Climate Change) AND take the COVID-19 pandemic a lot more serious after 242,000 dead Americans and still rising, and begin UNITING this nation of immeasurable diversity!!!!

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  2. At this point all I’m hoping for is that the lawsuits show themselves to be as frivolous as they appear to be, and that enough states certify their election that Joe gets at least 270 electoral votes. Frankly, with the SC firmly in the hands of The Federalist Society, and all of Trump’s unqualified judges sitting on the lower federal courts, I remain worried that sanity won’t survive the court challenges that are to come.

    To be honest, January 20th, when Biden is sworn in as President, can’t come soon enough.

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      1. Arizona went Biden. Pennsylvania went Biden. Nevada went Biden. And by all trends Georgia will go Biden. So…

        What will it take for 6th-grader tRumpsky to get it thru his thick skull: he is the Loser!? Is not 290 Electoral College votes enough to prove “Americans have spoken.” To borrow a tRump phrase on his bogus TV show The Apprentice“YOU’RE FIRED!!!!”

        Now, come January… go disappear into oblivion where most all Authoritarians end up in history and leaving a legacy of hate, division, turmoil, and indecency. BYE! 😁

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  3. While I hope American Evangelical Christianity will engage in some self reflection after Trump is gone and realize how they let themselves be duped and used, and how they compromized their own ethical principles. I’m not going to hold my breath.

    Always funny to watch someone work themselves into a frenzy so they can start pretending to speak in tongues.

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  4. Meanwhile, I found this song to be SO apropos today and the coming days/weeks of lawsuits, courts, judges, etc, etc, from the White House trying to get in the judicial doors in futility. Decency, normalcy, and sanity have returned! Check it out… 😁

    Ob la di, ob-la-da, life goes on, BYE
    La-la, how the life goes on
    Ob-la di, ob-la-da, life goes on, BYE
    La-la, how the life goes on

    Sing BA, BA, BA, BA, BYE-BYE!!! 👋

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      1. Hmm, wasn’t aware of that Epicurus. I assume you mean Paul McCartney’s fans? Or Beatles’ fans?

        Nevertheless, I’d prefer Lennon’s song “Imagine” and lyrics going like this…

        Imagine there’s no countries
        It isn’t hard to do
        Nothing to kill or die for
        And no religion too
        Imagine all the people living life in peace, you hoo, oooo

        Imagine no more weapons 😉
        I wonder if you can
        No need for greed or ammo
        A brotherhood of man
        Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you hoo, oooo

        I don’t know epicurus, that’s happiness, huh? Or maybe I’m just a dreamer. 😉

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        1. Sorry by “his” I meant trump’s fans. And of course some, not all. I I’m just thinking they won’t except the results of the election, and since we’ve already had violence encouraged by Trump I anticipate more, unfortunately.

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          1. Yes, agreed. I have a dear close friend—former State Trooper in CA, then Deputy Sherriff in NC, and now at the latter years nearing retirement is a police dispatcher for NTTA (Toll Authority) here in Dallas. She informed me last weekend that ALL Texas State Troopers, every single one, was put on Standby, High Alert in case of riots, violence, and ugly protests… the kinds you allude to Epicurus and egged-on by tRump himself.

            I’ve never seen such an immature, bullying 6th-grader with such a sore-loser tantrum as I’ve seen in this imbecilic, asinine (fake) President. Yet, this is how his father and grandfather raised him to behave: like a whiny Mobster Boss 10x worse in a Johnny Dangerously movie (1984). Only President tRumpel-rinkly-skin isn’t funny at all. 🤦‍♂️

            Btw epicurus, whenever tRumple-bottom stands on camera, no smile fat, stiff bottom-lip pose… doesn’t he look exactly like Benito Mussolini? I mean, look at this uncanny resemblance below! 😆

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  5. “Well, I wish it had been by a much larger margin,…” – Gary

    Gary, I have a few questions for you. How much power do you want the Democratic Party to obtain? Do you want the Democrats to win effective control of the Senate (obtaining a 50:50 split would allow a VP Kamala Harris to cast deciding votes)? If it comes to that, do you then support ending filibustering in the Senate, adding more justices to the SCOTUS, adding Washington, D.C. and/or Puerto Rico as U.S. States, offering sweeping amnesty and a path to citizenship (including voting rights) to all illegal immigrants, and doing away with the Electoral College etc.? None of those possible actions are “conspiracy theories” cooked up by the Right. Every single one of those possible actions has genuine support from the Left. I trust you realize that if all those actions came to pass, the Democratic Party likely would develop a decisive advantage in national elections. Do you desire that? Do you want permanent one-party rule?

    Thanks for your time.

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    1. Yes, I want a Democratic supermajority.

      -Yes, end the filibuster. It prevents progress.
      -No, no packing the Supreme Court. (Biden says he opposes this)
      -Yes, to statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico (if the majority of people in those locations want it).
      -Yes, amnesty plus a small fine for all people illegally in the country (here for minimum of three years) who have not committed felonies. Included in the amnesty law would be a provision that in the future, employment could only occur if one’s fingerprints or DNA is registered with the Federal government, verifying citizen status (to prevent another mass influx of people illegally crossing the border).
      -Yes, do away with the Electoral College. It is undemocratic.

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      1. Thanks for your reply, Gary. That is an interesting perspective.

        Based upon your responses, you seem to advocate one political party ultimately being in control of all three branches of federal government. If the Democratic Party remains in control of the White House and Congress long enough, they could eventually replace every Justice on the SCOTUS with Democrat-nominated Justices. That would essentially give the Democratic Party full control of federal government. Is that what you want?

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        1. At the current time, yes. Remember, we moderates currently control the Democratic party (Biden is the titular head of the party, and he is a moderate).

          Once Democrats are in control of the executive and legislative branches, Republicans will be forced to become more moderate if they want to regain seats. If the Democrats go too far left, the voters will punish them by voting for moderate Republicans. Balance is restored!

          We are a center, center-right country. Any party that veers too far away from that center will eventually be punished at the polls.

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          1. Republicans will be forced to become more moderate if they want to regain seats

            I think you’re being rather idealistic here. Republicans survive because they have supporters who reliably vote Republican no matter what they do and no matter how insane their policies. Even though they will do nothing but obstruct the Democrats in the Senate expect them to pick up seats in both houses come 2022, largely because Democrat supporters don’t vote in mid-terms, and they already have the Presidency.

            If the Democrats go too far left, the voters will punish them by voting for moderate Republicans.

            Moderate Republicans? A bit of an endangered species, don’t you think?

            We are a center, center-right country.

            Sadly, this is true, although you’re country has also shifted quite a bit to the right over the past decades. It’s gotten to the point where being on the extreme right is completely acceptable in the US while those in the center (by international standards) are labeled as Communists.

            I really think that most people in your country need a little bit of perspective, and exposure to some new ideas. As an outsider to your country I think your country is generally far too selfish and greedy in its politics. A good shift towards the left would do your country some good.

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  6. I personally think it would be a very, very bad plan to abolish the electoral college. This way of governing ensures that people in sparsely populated states such as Montana have a real voice. Otherwise, they will be permanently overruled by the folks who live in more densely populated areas such as NJ or Delaware. I think it also encourages greater bi-partisanship. Without the electoral college, the divisions between us would only increase. I feel even to the possibility of civil war. ..

    It also seems to me that the permanent control of one political party increases the likelihood of totalitarianism.

    I also want to address something that Herald has shared. Where are you from, Herald? For most folks that I know who are more conservative/libertarian politically, it’s not about wanting to be greedy or selfish. It’s more about freedom and feeling than a smaller govt. in general, is better all around for everyone.

    Actually, statistics bear out that conservative people tend to donate more to charity than those who are progressive politically.

    You see, we just have differing visions. To give one example, is it better for the govt. to control and pay for everyone’s health care through taxation? Or, is it better to allow competition to help drive down prices and also produce greater innovation and excellence in the medical field, with the govt. stepping in to help those who no matter what cannot afford private insurance. I mean this is just one example of the difference in thinking. There are many others.

    But, I don’t feel for a minute that one side is more or less compassionate or altruistic. We are coming at all these issues from differing perspectives.

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    1. This way of governing ensures that people in sparsely populated states such as Montana have a real voice.

      Sure, but why does a person is Wyoming, the least populated state in the country, get to have a more powerful voice than a person in California? Why are the voices of rural America allowed to be so much more powerful than urban America? The Electoral College gives 3 votes to the people of Wyoming, yet they have a population of just over 560,000. That’s 1 EC vote for every 186,000 people. Compare this with California which has almost 40,000,000 people, but only 55 EC votes, which is about 1 EC vote per 725,000. This is a massive power disparity.

      If you’re insistent on keeping the EC, let’s at least reform it so that the senate seats are not counted. It would still be unbalanced in favor of rural states, but at least it wouldn’t be so unbalanced.

      Otherwise, they will be permanently overruled by the folks who live in more densely populated areas such as NJ or Delaware

      I wasn’t aware that over half of the country lived in NJ or Delaware. The Presidency has been won at least twice in the last 20 years because Republicans are popular in rural states, These are cases where we get a government by a minority. How is that better?

      It also seems to me that the permanent control of one political party increases the likelihood of totalitarianism.

      Or, you know, Republicans could actually shift their policies so that they’re more inclusive, and actually offer policies that work for urban America as well. As it stands they really don’t have good answers for many urban problems.

      I also want to address something that Herald has shared. Where are you from, Herald?

      I’m a Canadian, but I do live close to the US border, and it’s hard to escape American news.

      For most folks that I know who are more conservative/libertarian politically, it’s not about wanting to be greedy or selfish. It’s more about freedom and feeling than a smaller govt. in general, is better all around for everyone.

      Except that your “conservative” party (actually both parties are conservatives, and even you most liberal Democrats would be considered conservatives in many parts of the world. You have an ineffective healthcare system for which you pay more per capita than any other industrialized nation, yet you get no better results. Your “freedom” is costing you the lives of your fellow Americans, and your pocket books.

      My point was that Americans seem to have a very narrow political perspective and worry too much about “freedom” (lots of other countries have freedom), and not enough about how to actually make a better society.

      Actually, statistics bear out that conservative people tend to donate more to charity than those who are progressive politically.

      Why should people be forced to rely on the charity of others when a mandated social safety net can also do the job? Why shouldn’t we organize our government in a way that makes sure that everyone has a basic level of protection? “Eww, socialism” seems to be the answer I get.

      To give one example, is it better for the govt. to control and pay for everyone’s health care through taxation? Or, is it better to allow competition to help drive down prices and also produce greater innovation and excellence in the medical field, with the govt. stepping in to help those who no matter what cannot afford private insurance.

      Well, your “free market” approach really hasn’t helped drive down costs. Americans pay almost twice as much for healthcare compared to other industrialized nations, and your healthcare outcomes generally are no better than anywhere else (with a few minor exceptions like heart attacks). You have the highest rates of infant and maternal mortality among industrialized countries, and this number is rising, yet is falling in other industrialized nations.. Americans claim to elect politicians who are pro-life, yet they only care about the unborn. They play at your emotions to give them power.

      Frankly, your healthcare system is a bit of a joke. It’s certainly not the envy of others, Your healthcare system is broken and in massive need of reforms, but your politicians (particularly Republicans) don’t seem to be interested in dealing with the problems. They’re interests seem to be with protecting big business and making sure that they get to keep their massive profits.

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      1. Hi, Herald, I have to agree with Nan. It’s awesome and amazing to me that Canadians and even people from Western European countries are so knowledgeable and interested concerning American politics. I also see it as a great strength that most western European people are at least bilingual. I wish we did more to teach a second language from grade school. I’m attempting to learn Spanish as an adult, no easy task.

        Here’s an interesting article relating to ideas and ways to bring down healthcare costs.

        https://www.realclearhealth.com/articles/2019/07/24/bringing_more_competition_to_health_insurance_110931.html

        From what I can observe relating to govt. run healthcare is that it seems prone to leading to doctor shortages and longer medical wait times in many countries. From what I understand, there are Canadians coming to the US for more timely medical procedures, but Americans looking to Canada for cheaper prescription drugs.

        I’m certainly not able to see that our politicians only care about the needs of the unborn. What would lead you to think in this way?

        I think we have to have a balanced plan that meets the needs of our country. Perhaps what’s appropriate for one nation may not be for another.

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        1. . From what I understand, there are Canadians coming to the US for more timely medical procedures, but Americans looking to Canada for cheaper prescription drugs.

          Don’t be fooled into believing that wait-times aren’t a problem in your country, because they are. It’s just something that doesn’t get mentioned too often. Wait-times are often dependent on the procedure, and the location. Again, the free market hasn’t solved this problem.

          On the prescription drug side, Canada has lower prescription drug costs because our prices are set by a regulatory body. They set the price based on the average of a group of countries. Unfortunately the US is in that bucket which tends to mean our drug prices are higher than average, but lower than the US. It also means that drug producers get cranky because those same drugs could be sold in the US for much more.

          I’m certainly not able to see that our politicians only care about the needs of the unborn. What would lead you to think in this way?

          The so-called “pro-life” politicians actually don’t give a damn about the unborn, and they certainly don’t care about them after their born. The whole thing reeks of an attempt to win over people with an emotional message, but if they actually cared about children they would be making sure that new mothers have very little to worry about. But we can’t have that, because that’s “socialism”, or even “mothers should just make better choices.”

          The pro-life position works because the unborn will never tell you that they are being forsaken. The unborn will never cry and demand resources from you. The unborn are the silent ones who people claim they value, but once they start needing anything it turns into “moocher” and “stand on your own two feet.” The sheer hypocrisy of the who pro-life movement that only makes gestures towards the unborn, but doesn’t actually work to help protect them in any meaningful sense, is disgusting to me.

          I’d rather pay for a social program that makes sure that all women have unrestricted free access to safe, effective, and long lasting, contraception than see women getting pregnant that cannot support their children. Most pro-lifers (not all, but definitely most) I talk to just seem to brush it off as bad choices by the mother and then want to force her to give birth, but won’t do anything to help prevent the problem in the first place. The pro-life position seems to me to be more about forced-birth than anything related to life.

          I think we have to have a balanced plan that meets the needs of our country.

          And compared to the rest of the world your country looks horribly unbalanced. You have the highest rates of incarceration in the industrialized world. You live in a country with more guns than people, and a homicide rate that dwarfs other industrialized nations. The wealthy get looked after while the poor largely get pissed on.

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          1. Yes, the pro life movement has shown itself to really just be pro birth and nothing more. They didn’t protest politicians (Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick ) who said the economy was more important than protecting the lives of the elderly from Covid.

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            1. The irony of the pro-life movement bitching about their right to bodily autonomy when it comes to wearing a mask, and not being forced to lock down the economy, seems completely lost on them.

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            2. Epicurus, I think finding a good balance in this is a struggle. Everyone wants to protect the vulnerable from this virus. I’m not familiar with Mr. Patrick, but what decent person wants to throw great-grandma to the wolves, and just forget about people with comorbidities?

              However, there are also serious human costs to a complete and continued shut down of the economy and the schools. There has been a rise in the suicide rate. People who struggle with addiction have trouble accessing services. This also can be deadly. Children who are victims of child abuse and neglect are less visible. Domestic violence has been on the rise. People’s businesses have been destroyed, closed forever. Jobs gone. People in the third world already in dire poverty are also indirectly impacted when the economies of the West shut down. It’s no light thing.

              It seems to me that we need to find a way to keep our economies open and to do our best to protect the vulnerable at the same time. No easy task. But, IMO, it just can’t be either-or.

              I don’t feel this opinion makes me heartless.

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          2. Herald, I feel that our social safety net is not as extensive as that of Canada, but it’s certainly not non-existent. On the other hand, the cost of living is generally higher in Canada and employment opportunities depending on one’s field can be better.

            Poor women in the US do have access to health clinics in order to receive free contraception. They may also be eligible for health services under Medicaid. If families make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, children may be eligible for the CHIP program which provides affordable health insurance to children.

            I’ll tell you the truth, in my whole life, I’ve never known someone who is pro-life who does not care about the needs of children already born. I actually feel that very often the opposite is the case. Many pro-life people have stepped up to provide foster care and to even adopt special needs kids. I’m sorry that your view and experience has been so negative.

            I feel like both Canada and the US are great countries. Each has its strengths and its own challenges. I would agree that the US is far from perfect. Part of the issue is that we are comparing apples to oranges. The US is much more densely populated than Canada with a very diverse population.

            I do agree that we need better gun control laws and wise prison reform. I feel like President Trump was making some good progress in this direction.

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            1. OOps I meant to say the employment opportunities can be better in the US depending on one’s field. And, President Trump has pushed for prison reform…

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                1. Thanks, Ark. Although, I’ve never been a one-issue voter, I found the video very interesting and informative. Food for thought. Be well, and stay safe. 🙂

                  Becky.

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                  1. @ Becky
                    As I said, bit of an eye opener.
                    Something to consider next time when you are all due to go to the polls, I fancy?
                    While it is probably safe to say that, abortion will never likely be something that is completely eradicated, for me, the overall message of the video was – prevention is better than ”cure.”

                    Therefore, raise the status (economic and otherwise) and care of women right across the board, and (notwithstanding my previous caveat) strive to ensure that every pregnancy is by choice .

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                    1. As strange as it may seem, there actually are believers outside the evangelical circles that know how to reason and think on their own.

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                    2. Ha-Ha. No, seriously, my son is a dedicated Christian, but he is most definitely NOT an evangelical and has beliefs and ideas that would cause them to gasp in shock and, most likely, shout words of condemnation.

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                    3. So is he a full-time member of the Dominic Crossan Not Really A Christian sect of Christianity or perhaps the People’s Front of Judea?

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                    4. This is my SON that you’re making comments about. Someone that I love. While I understand and appreciate your disgust and sentiment of Christians in general, not everyone falls into the categories you mentioned.

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                    5. No offense intended, Nan, merely a bit of fun.
                      My mother is also a Christian. I Iove her dearly.
                      But are we not exhibiting a degree of hypocrisy when we go after people such as Mel, Robertson, Colorstorm etc but draw the line when it comes to those we know personally?
                      How many non-believers do we come across who religious family members disown them, and/or indoctrinate children agaons one or the other parent?
                      I have a feeling Prof will understand this.

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                    6. Nan, please give your son my kindest and most positive regards. Our kids have to find their own path.

                      As you know, I currently attend an ELCA theologically moderate type church. Before that, I attended an Episcopal congregation.

                      My youngest son for a time was agnostic. After much searching and questioning, his faith has returned full force, albeit in a somewhat different form.

                      Now living in Alaska, I think he is soon to convert to Russian Orthodoxy. I can’t wait to visit his congregation. It should be a very unique experience. 🙂 Sorry, dearest Ark. LOL

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                    7. Thanks, Becky. He is a son that I gave up for adoption MANY years ago. I was able to reconnect with him several (20?) years ago. He currently lives in another state so we communicate mostly via email. Obviously he was raised in a different environment.

                      He is very musically inclined (has degrees) and is the musical director at a very liberal church … but his personal beliefs are even more liberal (for example, he HATES Trump). 😊 He accepts my non-believer status in love.

                      Russian Orthodoxy, huh? Should be an interesting experience.

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                    8. Ark, Christians are just all over the map politically and socially. Don’t believe for a moment that the conservative Christian nationalists control the whole church in the US. I’ve read this implication online.

                      Oh no. There are many folks in the mainline, even more so among the clergy who are just as politically liberal as the day is long. 🙂 And, even among evangelicals, there are those who are more progressive politically. Trust me on this. To give an example, I worked with a Brethern church in their ESL program with immigrants and refugees. Many of these evangelical folks were total pacifists who were in favor of completely open borders.

                      Well, this is the case in the US anyway. I don’t know the situation in your country.

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                    9. I really have no particular interest in your religion other than understanding from a hoistoirical perspective and also the harm it causes.
                      I posted the video for you ( and everyone else here) to illustrate the rampant hypoicrisy and that how the supposed Hot Potato of abortion in the USA is a non-starter.
                      As the video demonstrates even with almost exclusively conservative judges on the Supreme Court, Roe vs Wade is going nowhere and will not likely be overturned.
                      Even if it was, the liklihood it would make any difference is inconsequential.
                      Furthermore, as the video shows the abortion figures are actuallyfalling and more in depth analyses of stats show that abortion is <em< lower under a Democratic presidency.
                      Maybe if Christians, such as you for example, were to make a stronger case for contraception and proper education then the ‘Hot Potato’ would eventually become nothing more than a ‘cold chip’?

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  7. Living beside the worlds most powerful nation, having no other neighbours, having a very small population, and sharing a very similar culture, means Canadians cannot help but be awash in American politics. Even much of the Canadian media is obsessed with it.

    “Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.”

    Pierre Trudeau (father of the current canadian prime minister) in 1969

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