Christians, Muslims, and Mormons are Experts at Inventing Harmonizations for Their Holy Books’ Tall Tales

Book Of Mormon Geography
Did the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) close up shop when DNA evidence proved that Native Americans are NOT descended from ancient sea-faring Jews as the plain reading of the Book of Mormon claims? Of course not. They simply re-interpreted the passage in question. Where did they learn this clever slight of hand? Trinitarian Christians!

Christian:

Gary, You’re saying “The Romans would NEVER have tolerated a “great crowd” proclaiming a Galilean peasant as King of the Jews [in the story of Jesus “triumphal entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday]. ”

The Gospel of John says that Jesus entered Jerusalem five days before the Passover. Could you please share your research as to when Pilate actually arrived for the Passover. Also, if you don’t mind, please provide your research showing how many soldiers were actually present in Jerusalem, five days before the Passover, and whether there is any indication that any soldiers of “rank” (ie, higher than the average foot soldier) would have likely been present at the gate that Jesus entered at?

You see, I’m not even sure there was anything more than perhaps 500 Roman soldiers garrisoned at Jerusalem at the time, and I’m certainly not sure that a “great crowd” outside the city walls – of people coming to the Passover (for God’s sake) – would even have drawn notice from a Roman guard: they would be *expecting* “great crowds”. I mean, the “median estimate” of scholars is that the Passover gathered a good quarter-of-a-million “pilgrims” each Passover. So, this was routine. Happened every year at about the same time.

And I have serious doubts that the average Roman auxiliary would have even known what “Hosanna” meant. So, I’d really love to see your research on this to demonstrate your statement that “The Romans would NEVER have tolerated a “great crowd” proclaiming a Galilean peasant as King of the Jews. “

Gary:

Is it possible that a “great crowd” of Jews welcomed Jesus to Jerusalem as their new Jewish king during the Passover week in circa 33 CE and no Roman soldier heard about it? Sure! Is it possible that Pilate and his troops from Caesarea didn’t show up until the next day? Sure! Is it possible that when the author of John says a “great crowd” he really meant just a few dozen people who whispered “King of the Jews” under their breath as Jesus passed through the gate? Sure!

Anything is possible!

Do you Christians really think that you are the only religionists who play this game? Don’t you realize that Muslims, Mormons, and Hindus are just as adept at inventing rationalizations and harmonizations for the preposterous claims in *their* holy books?

When DNA evidence proved that Native Americans are *not* descended from ancient seafaring Jews as the Book of Mormon says, did the Church of Latter Day Saints fold up shop and call it quits? Of course not! They simply reinterpreted the text!

You Christians have had TWO THOUSAND years to rationalize (explain away) and reinterpret the preposterous, silly claims in your ancient holy book. Why stop now!

But the problem for you is this: Internet-savvy younger generations are not buying your “spin”. That is why the membership numbers of most Christian denominations in North America are in steep decline. So it isn’t just me who thinks your explanations are silly, so do a lot of young Christians. That is why they are LEAVING in droves!

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2 thoughts on “Christians, Muslims, and Mormons are Experts at Inventing Harmonizations for Their Holy Books’ Tall Tales

  1. You Christians have had TWO THOUSAND years to rationalize (explain away) and reinterpret the preposterous, silly claims in your ancient holy book.

    A very good rebuttal Gary. 🙂 That is why it is very important for equitable Neutrals scrutinizing the validity and historicity of the Greco-Roman Gospels to NOT fall into the intentional trap and diversion the biased Greco-Roman Church Fathers set in the sequencing (in time) of the four Gospels. Instead they should put them first in chronological order: Mark (c. 70-72 CE), Luke (c. 80-110 CE), Matthew (c. 85 CE), and John (c. 90-110 CE).

    Then when one takes that proper sequence of narrations (a Marcan priority) and place that template onto the known, established sequence of Roman events as well as Jewish events, it is not difficult at all to see why the biased Greco-Roman Church Fathers compiling the Canon of the New Testament put the four Gospels in the order they did in the mid-4th century CE. What am I saying exactly?

    Mark, the first Gospel written (and shortest) some 40+ years after Jesus’ execution , is naturally, logically the more Jewish-styled Gospel of the four. Mark was likely composed in Rome, not Jerusalem, Judea, or Galilee or anywhere in the Levant. It is the more Jewish-styled Gospel because of its Messianic motifs, a strictly and originally Jewish belief of Israel’s restoration as God’s independent kingdom on Earth. It is critical to remember that the oldest extant copy of Mark (from the 300’s) STOPS, ENDS at 16:8. There are no passages after verse 8 about a resurrected Jesus and everything else that was added decades later by Greco-Roman Church Fathers. HINT #1 people that retro-fitting, adding, subtracting, and modifying of events was undeniably being done, as you correctly state Gary!

    Matthew and Luke being written at least 50-70 years or more after Jesus’ execution and events are naturally, logically more Greco-Roman with their elaborations of Christology and Jesus’ divine nature, a clear divergence from Jewish Messianism of Second Temple Judaism, the Hebrew Bible, and established Rabbinic texts of the Tannaim. These two Gospels were retro-fitted with the Greco-Roman intention to turn, twist, and rewrite causes of Jerusalem’s and the Temple’s destruction… and begin a complete separation from Jesus’ actual Judaism/Messianism and start of an entirely new Roman religion with no need of Jesus’ Judaism. HINT #2 and #3 people that retro-fitting, adding, subtracting, and modifying of events was undeniably being done, as you correctly state Gary!

    John, written some 60-70 years after Jesus’ death, is an absolute unequivocal departure from anything Jewish. By this time in Greco-Roman politics and theology the Hellenized Church Fathers wanted nothing to do with Judaism or any other non-Roman religion. John 14:6 makes that abundantly clear.

    And so this Greco-Roman modifying, hijacking, and amputating freely over three centuries creates at least six (6) major problems for Christendom’s authenticity, as Wikepedia lays out nicely:

    Priority: Which gospel was written first? (If one text draws from another, the source must have been composed first.)

    Successive dependence: Did each of the synoptic gospels draw from each of its predecessors? (If not, the frequent agreements between the two independent gospels against the third must originate elsewhere.)

    Lost written sources: Did any of the gospels draw from some earlier document which has not been preserved (e.g., the hypothetical “Q”, or from earlier editions of other gospels)?

    Oral sources: To what extent did each evangelist or literary collaborator[25] draw from personal knowledge, eyewitness accounts, liturgy, or other oral traditions to produce an original written account?

    Translation: Jesus and others quoted in the gospels spoke primarily in Aramaic [as well as DSS Hebrew and Mishnaic Hebrew], but the gospels themselves in their oldest available form are each written in Koine Greek. Who performed the translations, and at what point? Not any Jewish Rabbis who would’ve understood Yeshua’s/Jesus’ teachings perfectly!

    Redaction: How and why did those who put the gospels into their final form expand, abridge, alter, or rearrange their sources?

    All kinds of major problems for Christianity’s Gospels and New Testament Gary. A virtual cornucopia of mishaps and fabrications, huh? 😉

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  2. From Nehemia Gordon’s work on Hellenism vs. Second Temple Judaism/Messianism, a summary and review of his book “The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus“:

    An astonishing realization has recently gripped the Christian world: “Jesus Christ” was not a blond-haired, blue-eyed Gentile. Yeshua of Nazareth was raised in an observant Jewish family in a culture where the Torah (five books of Moses) was the National Constitution.

    Yeshua’s teachings, which supposedly form the basis for Western Christianity, are now filtered through 2000 years of traditions born in ignorance of the land, language, and culture of the Bible. The issues over which Yeshua wrestled with the Pharisees are simply not understood by modern Christians; nor are his most important instructions followed by those who claim to be his disciples.

    Former Pharisee, Nehemia Gordon, a Dead Sea Scrolls scholar and Semitic language expert, explores the ancient Hebrew text of the Gospel of Matthew from manuscripts long hidden away in the archives of Jewish scribes. Gordon’s research reveals that the more “modern” Greek text of Matthew, from which the Western world’s versions were translated, depicts “another Jesus” [a Greek caricature] from the Yeshua portrayed in the ancient Hebrew version of Matthew [and plausibly deduced from many other Tannaic texts]. Gordon explains the life-and-death conflict Yeshua had with the Pharisees as they schemed to grab the reins of Judaism in the first century, and brings that conflict into perspective for both Jew and Christian alike.

    And Nehemia Gordon’s work/book here is only ONE scholarly examination of Yeshua’s authentic Sectarian Judaism that Christians consistently ignore and/or deny with no basis to do so whatsoever.

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