Fossil Evidence Proves T-Rex Was a Carnivore Long Before Humans Existed. How Does That Square with the Creation Story?

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A review of evangelical apologist Randal Rauser’s Conversations With My Inner Atheist, Part 2:

“Mia” (Randal Rauser’s nickname for his doubts):  Paleontologists have discovered fossilized dung from Tyrannosaurus-Rex which includes Tricerotops frill; in other words, chewed up bits of Triceratops. So we know that T-Rex was a ravenous killer millions of years before humans appeared on the scene. But in Genesis 3:14-20 we read that the fall of creation, including all this death and predation and suffering, is somehow the result of the sins of Adam and Eve.

Explain to me how Adam and Eve can possibly be responsible for T-Rex. …How did two human beings eating a piece of forbidden fruit in a garden turn T-Rex into a fearsome Jurassic Park exhibition?

Rauser: I suspect that we should stop trying to draw any concrete casual link between human actions and physical death in creation.

Mia: Are you saying that maybe there wasn’t a Fall? …So you accept evolution?

Rauser: Creation is not what it should be. Whether that fact is tied to a historical primordial fall or simply the fact that creation has not yet achieved the ends for which God has purposed it since the beginning, the fact remains that it needs God’s healing, redemptive hand before it achieves its final purpose.

…I don’t tie my theology to Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory but I have reconciled by theology to it. …I think that Genesis 3 may best be interpreted as myth, [in the sense that] a particular story conveys a universal truth in narrative form. …[T]he fact that a story is a myth does not mean it fails to convey objective facts. Even if the narrative of Genesis 3 is a myth in the sense I described, it nonetheless conveys the objective fact of universal alienation from God and with it the fact that all creation needs a real redeemer. And that’s who Jesus is.

Gary: Let me get this straight, Dr. Rauser: Your god, Jesus, created the universe using Neo-Darwinian principles, allowing countless millions of living creatures to struggle every day to find food and shelter, suffer pain, starvation, thirst, disease, and in many cases…being eaten alive…all so Jesus could come along a couple of hundred million years later and “redeem” them?

Do you realize how absurd that sounds??

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Read part 3 here.

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6 thoughts on “Fossil Evidence Proves T-Rex Was a Carnivore Long Before Humans Existed. How Does That Square with the Creation Story?

  1. re: “Your god, Jesus, created the universe using Neo-Darwinian principles, allowing countless millions of living creatures to struggle every day to find food and shelter, suffer pain, starvation, thirst, disease, and in many cases…being eaten alive…all so Jesus could come along a couple of hundred million years later and “redeem” them?”

    Two thoughts.

    First, Rauser’s “theological point” about all nature needing a “redeemer”, etc – I’m not commenting on that at all…

    Second —- Setting “Man” aside – that is, whatever the earliest creature that could be considered “Man”, by scientists, anthropologists, and those of that sort… Let’s say we’re in history, “the day before” that earliest “Man” appeared (and no, I’m not saying there was a single, sudden appearance of that “Man”)…

    So – here we are, with animals. Animals – none of whom have anything even close to the level of self-awareness of humans. Animals who have no concept whatsoever of their own mortality. (Noting – even modern animals – as developed as they’ve gotten since the beginning of Life on earth – are nothing close to humans in terms of self-awareness, consciousness, intellect, and still show no signs of being aware of their own mortality).

    So – those animals. Why would we even begin to presume any of them knew anything of “suffering”?

    I don’t mean to imply that animals can’t feel “pain”. They certainly can. A simple squid will recoil if you poke it with a sharp stick. Clearly, animals have nervous systems that attach to brains (generally speaking), and those brains are developed to interpret certain signals coming in as “unpleasant” – so to avoid injury (or getting eaten, etc).

    But “suffering” is a whole different thing. To actually “suffer” requires some level of self-awareness. I mean, to this day, dogs – as remarkable as they are – will still reject a puppy from a litter if it appears “unfit” for future survival, and they’ll let it die. So, it’s not as if a woolly mammoth, caught in a tar pit someplace, is crying out to the universe asking “why?”.

    It’s humans that “know” about “suffering” – and the reason we even “know” about the suffering of others is because we are aware of our own suffering. Take that level of “awareness” totally out of the picture, and what you’ve got is just a world that “works like it works” – “it is what it is”. The amoeba is born, the amoeba dies. And so on with every other animal, without exception. They all die from something. But, animals just don’t “question” it. They aren’t any more “aware” of the “suffering” of any other animals than they are of their own – and that’s a very low level of awareness, even among the most-developed animals today.

    So – I’d just like somebody who rejects “God” (generally, the Creator God as in the Abrahamic religions), talking about how He created a world that allowed “countless millions of living creatures to struggle every day to find food and shelter, suffer pain, starvation, thirst, disease, and in many cases…[be] eaten alive…” should somehow have felt under compunction to create some other kind of world in which living creatures always lived (and never died), and never had to do anything to sustain their own lives — when in fact, for animals, this world simply “is what it is”, and they don’t even think about such stuff…

    So if you wouldn’t mind, Gary – since you brought this issue up — could you explain to me why God “should” have created some other kind of world?

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  2. Actually, I’m both. I’m even a guy who feeds a rather large flock of birds every day. In fact, I’m a guy who does a trap-neuter-return thing with feral cats, and I feed a colony of feral cats every day of the year.

    So, I guess your response means, basically, you have no idea of how to answer my question.

    And, that’s fair enough. I didn’t think you’d manage to come up with an answer anyway.

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