Is it Possible that the Gospel Authors Invented Stories to “Fulfill” OT Prophesies?

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Gary:  Is it possible that the authors of the Gospels invented stories about Jesus (a virgin birth, for instance), then tied these invented stories to OT prophecies, all for theological or literary purposes, never meaning for them to be understood as historical facts?

Christian Apologist:  Of course it’s possible. Many things are possible. It is also possible that you are an alien posting from Alpha Centari.   But again, you don’t even know what my arguments are, yet you set your whole little fleet to attack a position which you haven’t even scouted out yet. Bang! Bang! Whoops! You just blew up a log in the water 40 miles from where my ship is!

Gary:  Is it possible that the intricate pattern of fulfillment that you see [in the New Testament]  is a purposeful invention; not to deceive anyone, but to “further the Gospel”.”

Christian Apologist:  This is so childish.

Gary:  No one believes that the authors of the Gospels were writing history texts. They were writing works of religious evangelization, using an ancient Greco-Roman literary genre that allowed for embellishments of the facts. The Gospels are beautiful works of religious literature. They are not history texts. Let’s not hold them to a standard which the authors never intended to meet.

Christian Apologist:  This is just confused. They were writing bioi, or Greek biography, as scholars generally do admit now. Of course that’s not history. They make it exceedingly clear that they intend to tell the truth about Jesus’ life: have you never even read the preface to Luke, or the final chapters of John?   I demonstrate that dozens of traits within the gospels mark them strongly as historical texts. No doubt you’ll now attack those arguments, as well, without bothering to find out what they are, or what weight they may carry. All too typical.

 

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4 thoughts on “Is it Possible that the Gospel Authors Invented Stories to “Fulfill” OT Prophesies?

  1. I think the apologist got you here. You simply asked what is possible and then asserted that everyone thinks you are right. You didn’t seem to engage or give any reason as to why we shouldn’t trust ancient Greek bio as historical. you just said that we mustn’t.

    “NO one” believes they are historically reliable?

    Hmmm… All these guys do believe in the Gospels are historically accurate: DA Carson, NT Wright, Richard Baukham, Douglas Moo, Richard Burridge (https://www.amazon.com/What-Are-Gospels-Comparison-Graeco-Roman/dp/0802809715), John MacArther, John Piper, Craig Blomberg, Ben Witherington III, Mike Licona, and hundreds of others.

    Even Bart Erhman admits that the Gospels are our best sources for historical information about Jesus. See what he says here: “[I]f historians want to know what Jesus said and did they are more or less constrained to use the New Testament Gospels as their principal sources. Let me emphasize that this is not for religious or theological reasons—for instance, that these and these alone can be trusted. It is for historical reasons, pure and simple.” From: Ehrman, The New Testament (2008), 229; cf. 221.

    (Cited here: https://www.risenjesus.com/review-of-bart-ehrmans-book-forged-writing-in-the-name-of-god#_edn11)

    Michael Grant – a non-christian and highly respected ancient historian – said, for example, that there is no reason to doubt the empty tomb. He didn’t believe in the miracles or the resurrection, but he knows that the tomb was empty based on historical inquiry.

    So tell me again about “no one” believing in the historical merit of the Gospels?

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  2. Of course the gospel writers drew on OT ‘prophecy’ and even on texts that were never meant to be prophecy in the first place (a young woman shall bear a child; he will ride on a colt and an ass; he will bear our stripes; he will be in the tomb as long as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish, etc etc.) The Jesus story is constructed entirely around these ‘prophecies’, motifs and types. They do not foreshadow Jesus; they were pressed into service long after the event, most of them incongruously so.

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