Why Did Jesus’ Glorified, Resurrected Body have Holes?

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 But Thomas (who was called the Twin[c]), one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands, and put my finger in the mark of the nails and my hand in his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.”  

Gospel of John 20:24-29

A reader of this blog, Tony, pointed out a very interesting issue regarding the resurrection of Jesus:  Why did Jesus’ resurrected body have holes???  The author of the Gospel of John, whom conservative Christians believe was an eyewitness to the “Doubting Thomas” scene quoted above describes Jesus’ body as glorified but still possessing the “scars” of his crucifixion:  nail holes in his hands and feet and a sword wound in his side.  How does that square with Paul’s view of a resurrected body? (see below)  It doesn’t!  One of these two men did not know what he was talking about!  And if that is true, it casts doubt on the “inspiration” (and historical accuracy) of the entire Bible!

And think about this:  If the resurrected bodies of dead Christians are going to rise from their graves on the day of the Second Coming in the same manner as Jesus was raised, will their bodies bear the scars of their means of death?  Think about that!

Imagine a Christian pastor or priest having to announce at the funeral of a Christian disfigured in a car accident or blown up during war that his or her body will be raised in the same manner that Jesus was raised: he or she will receive a glorified body at the time of the Second Coming but it will still have holes and other missing parts!  How horrific.

Certainly the “Doubting Thomas” story is a later Christian invention. And if that story is an invention, what other stories in the Gospels are inventions (fiction)?

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The Apostle Paul’s view of a resurrected body, First Corinthians 15:

But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 Fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you do not sow the body that is to be, but a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 Not all flesh is alike, but there is one flesh for human beings, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; indeed, star differs from star in glory.

42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first, but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is[a]from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will[b] also bear the image of the man of heaven.

50 What I am saying, brothers and sisters,[c] is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die,[d] but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled:

“Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”

–First Corinthians 15

19 thoughts on “Why Did Jesus’ Glorified, Resurrected Body have Holes?

  1. Why resurrect the body at all? Really, why? Apologists like Mel are at pains to say Yhwh/Jesus are undetectable, that they exist beyond space and time, so what use was the body?

    You should ask him this.

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    1. He would only say something similar to ft: “Jesus changes form as his divine will chooses.”

      When you are dealing with people who believe in magic and invisible fairy godfathers, you cannot nail them down on anything.

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    2. You and I both know the answer to your question, John: They needed the body to prove that the disciples weren’t experiencing vivid dreams, visions, illusions, or hallucinations.

      It is a literary invention!

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      1. For me personally, I would have far more impressed to have seen a GIANT orb of diamond light, with the words, “Behold, this is your true form. Worldly things are fleeting. Thisd is my last message to you. Good luck!”

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  2. if jesus had a pierced side, then did he feel pain while he was being poked ? when he eat fish, did he go to take a dump later on and experience taking a dump in his “transformed ” body ? or was it just a trick which he made to appear on his body? but then if it was a trick, how is it the same body ? jesus no longer is having physical experiences of pain and digestion. something seems strange here.

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  3. wait a minute… Here you guys are, once again (like Beavis and Butthead) sitting around asking these inane “rhetoricals”, thinking that if *you* guys don’t know the answers to the questions, then maybe it’s just all an elaborate fiction…

    And, people do the same stuff with the JFK assassination, 9/11, and all kinds of other things that have some element of the “unknown” to it. In other words, “conspiracy theorists”.

    Gary is surprised that “millions of modern, educated people believe this ghost tale really happened”. Yet, he is utterly *clueless* as to “what happened”.

    So, let me give Beavis and Butthead a primer.

    Probably 90% of the worlds population believes that when we die, we “go someplace”. They believe – often, in very unspecific, very spotty terms, that our lives “continue” in a “Life After Death” scenario *of some kind*. Maybe they go to “heaven”, maybe they’re “melded in to the Cosmic Consciousness”, maybe they go into the “Big Sleep” (but, can be aroused from time to time), maybe they’re “transported to another dimension”. Whatever.

    First century Jews were no different than 90% of the worlds population today in this respect. They believed you “went somewhere”.

    This idea of “going somewhere after death” may partly be due to what researchers call “person permanence”, which they say is hard-wired. And, it may be due, in part, to the known fact that it is impossible for a human being to actually imagine themselves being in a state of non-existence (which researchers also say is hard-wired).

    What developed in Judaism was a belief that, yes, we *do* “go someplace” – but – it’s not just our “soul” (or, really, “spirit”) that goes there. But, somehow, our bodies go, just as well. (And, “somehow” is the key word there).

    The reasoning behind this is simple: God is the Creator, everything else is created. But, God created everything else, and all of it – whether created “material” or created “spirit” – is “good”. It’s all of “equal quality” to it’s Creator. Therefore, there will be no discarding of the material at death, nor will there be discarding of “the material”, should the entire universe come to an end (ie, at “the Last Day”). It will *all* continue, but, *in another, perfected form* – a form that has been more than merely “restored” to it’s original state at creation, but, made even more perfect – in such a way that both the spiritual and the material become *eternal* – suitable for an eternal existence.

    Thus, the human body will be “transformed”. It will be changed from a state that is only good for living in this temporal world into a state that will be suitable for existence for all eternity.

    And, that’s a Big Change. There’s simply No Telling What That Means. It can *only* be speculated. But, yeh, it will be a Danged Big Change. Major. Massive. It will be bodies that are completely melded with the spirit, whole and complete, and, like spirit, will be *unbounded by time, space, or any ‘material’ conditions*.

    So, this could mean most *anything*. Could it mean that body could change form? Yeh, sure. Could it mean that body could appear and disappear? Well, yeh, sure – especially to those of us stuck in our current, “material” form.

    Now, I could go on, but, I know what I’m saying is already over your heads.

    But, here’s the point: If you’re going to criticize someone’s *belief*, then, for God’s sake, take some time to *learn* what it is you’re critcizing. Otherwise, you just look like a couple of idiots.

    And – here’s an example of what I mean: Gary, in a previous post, said that Jesus’ resurrection does not prove Jesus was God.

    That shows precisely that he understands nothing of what he is criticizing.

    Why? Because God, and Only God, can “resurrect” anything at all. Gary still sometimes thinks “resurrection” and “resuscitation” are the same thing. A doctor (or, a prophet? a “faith healer”?) might be able to resuscitate someone. But, only God does resurrection. So, it was only God that resurrected the body of Jesus. But – Jesus *resurrected himself*. There was nobody else there doing anything. No doctors with equipment, no faith-healers saying prayers and laying on hands. God Himself raised His own body.

    Now – is ANY of this stuff “true”? Some say yes, some say no. And, it’s totally OK with me if Beavis and Butthead say “no”.

    But, you guys just make yourselves look like idiots for criticizing things you don’t understand, because that’s what idiots do.

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    1. Gary is surprised that “millions of modern, educated people believe this ghost tale really happened”. Yet, he is utterly *clueless* as to “what happened”.

      Yes, and since we haven’t found the missing body of Amelia Earhart, we should believe that she too was resurrected. Your logic is WHACKED!

      Because God, and Only God, can “resurrect” anything at all.

      So says your 2,000 year old fairy tale! And only Cinderella’s fairy godmother can turn pumpkins into carriages!

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  4. I didn’t offer any “logic”, Beavis. I just *explained* what the *belief* is. It doesn’t matter whether either you or I *believe* it — what matters is that, for you to avoid looking like a cartoon character – you need to understand exactly what it is you’re criticizing. Otherwise, you’ll just be ignored, except by Buttheads who happen to already think like you do.

    We don’t want to see that happen, do we?

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  5. “But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 Fool! ”

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    Here is the real sticking point for me. Paul demonstrates throughout his letter he is willing to use numerous tools to make his point—including events in Jesus’ life. Paul indicates he received the 1 Cor. 15 tradition and it is often argued (and been argued in this blog) he received it from Peter and James when visiting Jerusalem. Gal. 1:18. And…it has been argued…they MUST have discussed the resurrection appearances.

    Now if Paul knew of the resurrection accounts as recorded in the gospels—why ever would he not mention them here? You want to know what a resurrection body looks like? “Why,” says Paul, “Let me tell you what Jesus was like.” Then Paul could describe how Jesus’ post-mortem resurrection body could walk, talk, teleport, retain knowledge, touch, see, hear, be touched, eat, float, breath, retain scars, make a fire and cook.

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    But…are Christian apologists consistent in this? Indeed, in the podcast instigating this blog entry, Pastor Cooper derides my statement the tradition fails to explicitly mention an empty tomb, as…to him…it is clearly inferred. Yet if I indicate the tradition fails to mention the women appearances, now I am (gently) corrected to limit its purpose to the internal statements.

    Which is it? Should we limit it to the tradition or should we broaden the scope to what it infers as well? And I should note, as the tradition is listing appearances, the fact the women are not listed is far more relevant as they are conspicuous by their absence. Why are the Christian apologists allowed to broaden the scope to claim 1 Cor. 15 supports an empty tomb, but we must then immediately shrink the scope back to the precise wording when it comes to the women appearances?

    I quite agree with your statement, “If women were witnesses, then it would be unreasonable to assume Paul omitted this point…for nearly the space of two years.” Pretty big “IF.” If they were not (as I contend) then it is quite reasonable Paul would omit this point, as he has no knowledge. Staying consistent within this small method—it is reasonable Paul would know of Jesus’ physical appearances, yet omit the point when arguing for what a resurrection body would be like? Is it reasonable Paul knew Jesus’ resurrection physical abilities yet when describing what a post-resurrection body was like Paul would use every tool in his belt such as tradition, analogy (seeds and clothes), church practices (baptism for the dead), and argument (“our faith would be in vain.”)? But not the far more simplistic act of describing Jesus’ body? Something—under this method—it would be unreasonable to assume he omitted for nearly two years.

    Paul starts 1 Cor. 15 with, “Remember what I told you” and then repeats what he told them. But when it comes to the physical properties, Paul goes through arduous, complicated descriptions rather than simply state, “Remember what I told you” and repeats the resurrection accounts? While I would agree we cannot ask the tradition to do more than intended, the later arguments of Paul in the same chapter make it far more likely Paul had no knowledge of the appearances as later generated and recorded in the gospels.

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    1. yep, I’m ftbond just about everywhere… 🙂

      And you’re right – looks like somebody just cut-and-pasted one of my posts from Ehrmans blog…

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  6. no, Gary – Mr Heathcliff is (I guess) a fan…. I got no idea who it is. But, he certainly made use of something I posted on Ehrman’s blog…

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