Is it True that Atheists and other Skeptics Refuse to Accept Credible Evidence for the Existence of God?

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Christian apologist James Bishop

From Christian apologist James Bishop’s Blog, under the post title:  “How to Defeat Modern Day Atheism With Three Easy Questions”:

Question 1: What would you count as “actual, credible, real world evidence for God?” If the atheist refuses to answer, he/she will be exposed as Hiding the Goalpost, demonstrating the inherent intellectual dishonesty in such a demand. If the atheist finally answers, there is a very, very high likelihood he/she will cite some dramatic, miraculous, sensational demonstration of God’s power.

Gary: 

Question 1: What would you count as “actual, credible, real world evidence for God?”

Answer 1:  First we need to ask the Christian to be more specific.  Is he (or she) asking what evidence we would count as actual, credible, and real world for the existence of a CREATOR God, or, is he asking us for actual, credible, real world evidence for HIS god, Yahweh/Lord Jesus?

For the first question regarding the existence of a Creator, I suggest that we defer to the expertise of cosmologists, physicists, and other scientists who are currently studying the origin of the universe.  And what is the conclusion of these experts?  Answer:  There is insufficient data to make a consensus opinion at this time.  In other words, the evidence available could indicate the existence of an Intelligent Creator, but it might not.  The experts can’t say for sure at this time.  I suggest that we non-experts adopt the same attitude.  Let’s not rule out the possibility of a Creator, but let’s not assume his/her/or its existence either.  Let’s wait for more evidence.

Now, what about the second question, the existence of Yahweh/Lord Jesus?

Christians claim that Yahweh/Lord Jesus is a real being, however, they also claim that, currently at least, he is not visible to the human eye.  He is INVISIBLE.  Now, who do we turn to for expert opinion on invisible entities.  Answer:  Scientists!  Scientists will tell us that many entities exist which are not visible to the human eye.  They can give us evidence for their belief in such entities.

Have scientists discovered any evidence for the existence of invisible BEINGS?  Answer:  No.

When scientists detect evidence for the presence of invisible beings, then we non-theists will take seriously the possible existence of Yahweh/Lord Jesus.  Until then, we will reject any attempt based on subjective feelings, perceptions, and the reliability of ancient religious texts to convince us of Yahweh/Lord Jesus’ existence.

So you see, we skeptics are being very consistent in our world view.  We believe in invisible protons, quarks, and oxygen molecules because scientific experts have discovered these entities using the Scientific Method, the most reliable method to date for evaluating universal truth claims.  Scientists have NOT discovered any such evidence for the existence of invisible fairies, goblins, devils, or gods.  When they do, please let us know!  We will be all ears.

17 thoughts on “Is it True that Atheists and other Skeptics Refuse to Accept Credible Evidence for the Existence of God?

    1. The universe is evidence for the universe’s existence. But were asking for empirical evidence for God’s existence. Do you have any?

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  1. Here’s my take about evidence:

    If there were a real god, there’s obviously no consensus among humans about what that god is like and what it wants from us. Let’s assume for this argument that among all those versions of gods that people believe in, that there is one that is correct. The followers of that god are correct, and all the other people who follow other gods are therefore wrong. Since there is no majority religion in the world, that means that what most humans will tell you about god is wrong.

    So, when approached by any kind of preacher, the base odds are already high that they are one of the wrong ones. Furthermore, we have the problem that, while many of these incorrect preachers are sincere, many others are lying to you for their own personal gain.

    Now if there were really a god, that would be a very important thing to know. And a critically important thing to get right. So just believing any random preacher who comes along is probably going to be the wrong thing to do. I think it’s reasonable to have high standards about what we accept as evidence, since we need to sort out the few real preachers from among all the misguided or lying ones. It’s easy to quote from a holy book, or do some parlor tricks, but an evangelist from a real god has got to do better than that, so we can tell them apart from all the fakes. Their evidence has got to be extraordinary, and something that can’t be duplicated by a charlatan.

    My usual example is my passcode. I have one that I’ve never told anybody or written down. It’s a sentence that’s not going to come up in ordinary conversation. Any real god would know what it is. If a preacher comes up to me and starts their sermon with this code, I’ll know this is someone I should listen to. Is this the only thing I would accept? No, but this is the minimum level of extraordinariness that I need before I will take an evangelist seriously. Their evidence has got to be as good as or even stronger than this, or I’m going to ignore them as a faker or a fool.

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    1. But the real god wants you to believe in him by faith, Ubi, not solely based on evidence. He wants you to work a little. He wants you to want it. He doesn’t want to make it too easy for you. In other words, he likes playing the game of Hide and Seek.

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      1. If an omnipotent god wants to hide, then he could hide perfectly, and there’s no way I’m going to ever find him. And if he wants to be found, why bother with the charade of hiding in the first place? An all-powerful god is going to have to do better than hide-and-seek.

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  2. Bishop and I have crossed (s)words in the past and when we got around to the evidence of Moses and the Exodus and the archaeology it was not long before he banned me. They really do not enjoy evidence or facts.
    And now he has ”come out” and stated he no longer believes in innerancy, in part because of the links I suggested he read.
    How the worm turns!

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      1. To clarify …. he never actually cites me personally- I am not claiming responsibility for his minor epiphany! but it was the extended dialogue that annoyed him enough to ban me and then later announce he no longer thought the Exodus was as the bible described and now he no longer believes innerancy.

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        1. Good job, Ark. It just shows that if we skeptics are persistent in confronting Christians with the utter lack of decent evidence for their wild supernatural claims, it eventually does have an effect.

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    1. He has grown as an intellectual, while you have not. This growth/no growth discussion comes up when scientists are accused of finding new things and adjusting theories. The not-growth side isn’t something I’d be proud of. But I understand how it’s a badge of honor outside of sciency circles.

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      1. @ PaislyToes.com
        *Smile*.
        So you consider Bishop finally acknowledging that the bible is not inerrant, yet still clinging to all the other biblical garbage is ”Intellectual Growth” do you?
        Well, I suppose it could be considered so in a certain light.
        However, to most normal people this sideways shift still sounds as if he has quite a number of emotional and, notably, ego issues to deal with.
        When he gets past these I’ll stand and do some serious cheering for him.
        And, as I always say …. long as he doesn’t try to infect kids with this garbage, then the rest will eventually sort itself out.
        In the words of Sheldon Cooper …
        ”Peace out”

        Ark

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  3. “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God “for proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing”.

    “But,” says Man, “the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument you don’t. QED.”

    “Oh, dear”, says God, “I hadn’t thought of that”, and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

    ~Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

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