Conservative Christian Huffing and Puffing

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Conservative Christian:

I did not say that I believed in the supernatural claims of Christianity because of personal experiences. I believe them because the whole of the Scripture makes sense, and I had and have FAITH in the Word of God. My experience does indeed confirm what I’ve read. Also, I am not merely speaking of “subjective feelings” or “perceptions.” A man with symptoms of a brain aneurism, detailed imaging showing the aneurism, frank blood in the spinal fluid confirming the aneurism, an increase in the frank blood in the spinal fluid by a team of doctors and staff is not a subjective feeling or perception. The prayer that was made at the bedside before a rush into surgery – and what we felt might be considered subjective by some – but the additional imaging with a “mask” to pinpoint where to make the incision–and the fact that the aneurism suddenly “disappeared” is not subjective. It could be that the three neurosurgeons who stood at the foot of his bed were subjective when they said, “when you came in here three days ago we were certain that you had a bleeding brain aneurism, and now—after three days of observation—we are certain that you don’t, so we are releasing you.”I could tell you some stories that you could chalk up to coincidence if you wish, but a thinking man could never hear them and chalk them up to coincidence unless they had a great deal of FAITH in amazing “coincidences.”

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I can clearly see the handiwork and activity of God in all that I see around me. I see it in His creation (no, I don’t believe in Darwinian evolution or any of the sundry forms of neo-Darwinian evolution including Gould’s “Punctuated Equilibria” non-scientific nonsense), from the heavens to the biochemical complexity of the “simplest” life forms. His eternal power and deity are clearly seen in the things that are everywhere around us.

The one element that you have misdirected is FAITH. You have faith in your ability to reason, and in amazing coincidences. It could be a coincidence that a young girl in a Costa Rican church service I was in began speaking in tongues in perfect English when she had no knowledge of English, or a multitude of other things I’ve seen that are undeniably miraculous are coincidence. My deliverance from drugs was in no wise coincidence, nor was it my own resolution (I had tried many times). The story behind what brought me to the place to pray for the first time reveals a divine intervention itself. I did not attribute it to God at the time – but after I was converted a year later, I began to see how it was surely divine intervention

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“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.”
(Psalms 19:1-3 KJV)

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”
(Romans 1:18-22 ASV)

Gary:

“I could tell you some stories that you could chalk up to coincidence if you wish, but a thinking man could never hear them and chalk them up to coincidence unless they had a great deal of FAITH in amazing “coincidences.” ”

Have you read the two volume work by Christian apologist, Craig Keener, entitled “Miracles”? I have. It is FULL of thousands of (anecdotal) miracle claims. Keener states that there are hundreds of thousands of miracle cures happening in our very lifetime. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! So why is it that western medical experts do not list prayer as an effective cure for cancer, tuberculosis, epilepsy and other medical conditions?

Answer: Since Christians ALWAYS pray for healing, but the overwhelming majority of prayers for medical cures are NOT answered, statistics tell us that the few alleged cures that do occur are no better than random chance. The brain aneurysm case you mention could have a rare, but very natural explanation.

I am a physician, by the way.

The last paragraph in your last comment (an angry, judgmental passage from the Bible), obviously directed at me, is the very reason why I speak out against your particular superstition (traditional/conservative Christianity). Your attempt to frighten me with Christian mumbo-jumbo (threats of hellfire and damnation) is no different than the scenario faced by doctors of western medicine who are sometimes confronted in jungle villages by the village medicine man; the village’s “man of god” who feels his power and authority is threatened by the successes of western medical care. He shakes his tom-toms at the western doctor; utters horrific-sounding incantations upon the westerner; and even pokes needles into a voodoo doll of the westerner.

The western medicine doctor does not shrink in fear of the anger of the god of the furious medicine man. He simply smiles politely and goes on delivering scientifically-based medical care to the inhabitants of the village. He ignores the medicine man. Eventually the villagers learn to ignore the medicine man too. And within a few generations, the ancient superstition dies. I suggest that educated westerners (and everyone else in the world with an education) treat your self-righteous huffing and puffing (religious incantations) in the same manner.

 

Above discussion an excerpt from here.

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