Joe, a Moderate Christian:
You [Gary] are still working in that mistaken dichotomy between subject/object. There is no objectivity, an objective standard is merely less subjective, There is no perfect objectivity and cultivation of that illusion is merely something to hide behind. Personal experience is true compromise. The scientific data of my studies prove the assertions of my subjective experiences [of Jesus], 200 studies you have none, none at all. I have 200 backing my world view. Backing my experiences of God.
Learn this term. Inter=subjective, Not merely subjective but INTER-subjective. Objectivity is a sham but inter-subjectivity means it’s confirmed and validated even though subjective.
[Gary had said:] There is another word for that concept, Joe. It’s called: an imaginary friend. Imaginary friends provide very REAL comfort and a very real sense of security but the friend itself is NOT real, Joe. It is an illusion.
Joe: That is a mockery of the God hater club, an attempt to devalue and degrade personal experiences and the reality of God. But you have nothing like the vast body of confirming data I have backing my views. You have not one single study proving your view. Science does not offer you a body of conferring data. It’s an excavate you are not scientific, there is no scientific basis for disbelief in God. When you say we’ve reached an impasse [in our discussions] you really mean you want to quit before you have been confronted with more reality that blows your ideology out of the water.
Joe, I know this will be hard for you to consider, but please think about this:
I believe that you have constructed an elaborate, very sophisticated façade in an unconscious attempt to give respectability to an ancient tale that in reality is nothing more than a ghost story.
Empty graves prove nothing, and, people claim to see ghosts all the time.
Ghosts aren’t real, Joe. They aren’t real when you think you “see” one, and they aren’t real when you “feel” that one is living inside your body. Ghosts don’t talk to you in a “still, small voice”. Ghosts don’t protect you from car crashes and cancer. Ghosts are not building a mansion for you in outer space. And ghosts cannot magically make you live forever. You are living in an elaborate delusion, Joe.
Come out of the darkness of superstition and into the light of reason, rationality, and science.
It really is very simple:
Modern, educated people know that people today who have been brain dead for three days do not come back to life; dead people today do not walk out of their graves to hook up with former friends for a broiled fish lunch. It NEVER happens.
So why on earth would modern, educated people believe that such an event happened in Antiquity in an age of rampant superstition and scientific ignorance?
I believe it is ONLY because our western culture, for 18 centuries, has condoned and enforced the belief in this far-fetched tall tale that it is conceivable that modern, educated people would believe in the historicity of this fable. Just as culture is the reason that many modern, very educated Muslims still believe that a man rode a winged horse to heaven, and culture is the reason that many modern, very educated Hindus believe that a man caused a water buffalo to speak in a human language, it is culture that gives acceptance for modern, educated westerners to believe that a dead corpse walked out if its first century tomb, ate a broiled fish lunch with its former fishing buddies, and then that evening, levitated into outer space where it currently sits on a golden throne on the edge of the Cosmos.
It is a ghost story, folks. It is not reality. No amount of sophisticated-sounding mumbo jumbo changes that fact.